[s-cars] Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet
todd at owensport.com
todd at owensport.com
Thu Jul 24 16:26:27 EDT 2003
Negative, they are buried inside.
Original Message:
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From: tr0910 at softhome.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:22:13 -0600
To: todd at owensport.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet
When I drain the tranny, will I be able to remove and clean those magnets?
I am interested in being able to monitor further metal pieces coming loose
after I clean things up....
todd at owensport.com writes:
> There are two or more fairly large magnets inside the trans already.
>
> todd
>
> Original Message:
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> From: Tim Radbourne tr0910 at softhome.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:40:37 -0400
> To: bob.rossato at att.net, charlie at elektro.cmhnet.org,
s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>
>
> Where might I find a source for a magnetic plug for the tranny? Or
> should I build one myself (epoxy magnet to existing plug)
>
> 93 S4 @ 140K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Tim Radbourne
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:49 PM
> To: bob.rossato at att.net; 'Charlie Smith'
> Cc: 'Audi S Car List'; 'Charlie Smith'
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>
>
> Definitely a card in the spokes sound and only in 1rst. Here is the new
> plan. Drain the fluid, find a magnetic plug and then check this
> regularly. (probably change this fluid each time I change engine oil)
>
> Should I put GL4 fluid in the tranny? What brand? Do I have to buy it
> from Audi?
>
> Is this an easy (do it yourself) flush job?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of bob.rossato at att.net
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 4:08 PM
> To: Charlie Smith
> Cc: Tim Radbourne; Audi S Car List; Charlie Smith
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>
>
> There is a third noise which may, or may not be, related to item b)
> below, but is completely different sounding. My '95 S6 developed a 1st
> gear noise sometime over the winter (only noticed it this spring when I
> finally rolled down the windows again) that is sort of a whine/groan.
> The closest I can equate it to is the noise from straight cut gears,
> such as reverse. It definitely goes away in 2nd, so it's not pinion
> bearing related.
>
> Whether it's another manifestation of a galled first gear, or simply a
> first gear synchro bearing gone bad I don't know.
>
> The only other car I've heard this on is Paul K's S6.... and come to
> think of it he did drive mine a couple of times before this happened so
> I'm going to blame him. Yup, that's what I'm going to do.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Earlier, Tim Radbourne wrote:
>> >
>> > I have just joined the group. Purchased a 93 S4 with 140K. Has one
>
>> > problem that I wasn't too worried about when I bought it, but am
>> > more worried now. It has a noise/growl when accelerating in first
>> > gear. Otherwise the tranny sounds fine. I am wondering if this is
>> > the galled first gear problem discussed here?
>>
>> There are two different problems that have been more than occasional
>> with the 01E 5 speed transmissions in the UrS4/S6 cars. These are:
>>
>> A) '92 and some '93's had pinion gear bearing problems. I've not
>> had this happen to an Audi so no 1st hand listening on this.
>> It should be a whine that varies with road speed, in othere
> words
>> it will sound the same at 30 MPH in 1st as it does in 2nd gear.
>>
>> B) 1st gear becomes galled on one or more teeth on the main shaft.
>> There are pictures of a failed 1st gear in the middle of this
> page:
>> http://www.elektro.com/~audi/01E/ind5.html
>>
>> This will sound like a kid's bike with playing cards sticking
> into
>> the spokes. A definite clicking noise that gets faster as you
> pick
>> up speed in 1st gear. You probably can't hear it in any gear
> other
>> than 1st, and you will probably only hear it when accelerating.
>> To hear this more clearly when it's faint, roll the windows down
>> and drive next to a solid wall of a building or something.
>> >
>> > Can I drive it like this?
>> > For how long?
>>
>> For either problem, you can drive it until it gets so noisy you can't
>> stand it. Driving with a failing pinion gear bearing will also ruin
>> the front ring and pinion gears, and may mess up the teeth on 4th if
>> it's really bad and you drive in 4th a lot. Driving with a galling
>> 1st gear will get noisier and noisier when you are driving off in 1st.
>
>> Eventually the metal particles from either problem will affect other
>> bearings in the transmission.
>>
>> > Is there anything I can do without pulling the tranny? (Should I do
>
>> > a tranmission oil change and oil analysis?)
>>
>> You can't do anything with either without taking the transmission
>> apart. Changing the oil won't make it better, but clean oil will help
>> keep metal particles from going through other parts of the
>> transmission.
>>
>> This is the Audi God's way of telling you it's time for a 6 speed
> upgrade
>> :-)
>>
>> - Charlie
>>
>>
>> Charlie Smith charlie at elektro.cmhnet.org 614-471-1418
>> http://www.elektro.com/~charlie Columbus Ohio USA
>> http://www.elektro.com/~audi photos & technical info
>>
>> 95 S6 Quattro - 24 PSI, RS2 6 speed, and other features
>> 97 Dodge Ram - 40 PSI, 4x4 w/Cummins turbo diesel
>>
>>
>>
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