[s-cars] Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet

[tr0910 at softhome.net]

So it sounds like I need to install a magnet that I can access.  Should I
look for a magnetic plug or try and epoxy a magnet to the existing tranny
drain plug??

todd at owensport.com writes:

> Negative, they are buried inside.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  tr0910 at softhome.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:22:13 -0600
> To: todd at owensport.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: Galled First Gears??? Magnet
>
>
> When I drain the tranny, will I be able to remove and clean those magnets?
> I am interested in being able to monitor further metal pieces coming loose
> after I clean things up....
>
> todd at owensport.com writes:
>
>> There are two or more fairly large magnets inside the trans already.
>>
>> todd
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Tim Radbourne tr0910 at softhome.net
>> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:40:37 -0400
>> To: bob.rossato at att.net, charlie at elektro.cmhnet.org,
> s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>>
>>
>> Where might I find a source for a magnetic plug for the tranny?  Or
>> should I build one myself (epoxy magnet to existing plug)
>>
>> 93 S4 @ 140K
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Tim Radbourne
>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:49 PM
>> To: bob.rossato at att.net; 'Charlie Smith'
>> Cc: 'Audi S Car List'; 'Charlie Smith'
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>>
>>
>> Definitely a card in the spokes sound and only in 1rst.  Here is the new
>> plan.  Drain the fluid, find a magnetic plug and then check this
>> regularly.  (probably change this fluid each time I change engine oil)
>>
>> Should I put GL4 fluid in the tranny?  What brand? Do I have to buy it
>> from Audi?
>>
>> Is this an easy (do it yourself) flush job?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] On Behalf Of bob.rossato at att.net
>> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 4:08 PM
>> To: Charlie Smith
>> Cc: Tim Radbourne; Audi S Car List; Charlie Smith
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Galled First Gears???
>>
>>
>> There is a third noise which may, or may not be, related to item b)
>> below, but is completely different sounding.  My '95 S6 developed a 1st
>> gear noise sometime over the winter (only noticed it this spring when I
>> finally rolled down the windows again) that is sort of a whine/groan.
>> The closest I can equate it to is the noise from straight cut gears,
>> such as reverse.  It definitely goes away in 2nd, so it's not pinion
>> bearing related.
>>
>> Whether it's another manifestation of a galled first gear, or simply a
>> first gear synchro bearing gone bad I don't know.
>>
>> The only other car I've heard this on is Paul K's S6.... and come to
>> think of it he did drive mine a couple of times before this happened so
>> I'm going to blame him.  Yup, that's what I'm going to do.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>> Earlier, Tim Radbourne wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have just joined the group.  Purchased a 93 S4 with 140K.  Has one
>>
>>> > problem that I wasn't too worried about when I bought it, but am
>>> > more worried now.  It has a noise/growl when accelerating in first
>>> > gear. Otherwise the tranny sounds fine.  I am wondering if this is
>>> > the galled first gear problem discussed here?
>>>
>>> There are two different problems that have been more than occasional
>>> with the 01E 5 speed transmissions in the UrS4/S6 cars.  These are:
>>>
>>>   A)  '92 and some '93's had pinion gear bearing problems.  I've not
>>>       had this happen to an Audi so no 1st hand listening on this.
>>>       It should be a whine that varies with road speed, in othere
>> words
>>>       it will sound the same at 30 MPH in 1st as it does in 2nd gear.
>>>
>>>   B)  1st gear becomes galled on one or more teeth on the main shaft.
>>>       There are pictures of a failed 1st gear in the middle of this
>> page:
>>>         http://www.elektro.com/~audi/01E/ind5.html
>>>
>>>       This will sound like a kid's bike with playing cards sticking
>> into
>>>       the spokes.  A definite clicking noise that gets faster as you
>> pick
>>>       up speed in 1st gear.  You probably can't hear it in any gear
>> other
>>>       than 1st, and you will probably only hear it when accelerating.
>>>       To hear this more clearly when it's faint, roll the windows down
>>>       and drive next to a solid wall of a building or something.
>>> >
>>> > Can I drive it like this?
>>> > For how long?
>>>
>>> For either problem, you can drive it until it gets so noisy you can't
>>> stand it.  Driving with a failing pinion gear bearing will also ruin
>>> the front ring and pinion gears, and may mess up the teeth on 4th if
>>> it's really bad and you drive in 4th a lot.  Driving with a galling
>>> 1st gear will get noisier and noisier when you are driving off in 1st.
>>
>>> Eventually the metal particles from either problem will affect other
>>> bearings in the transmission.
>>>
>>> > Is there anything I can do without pulling the tranny?  (Should I do
>>
>>> > a tranmission oil change and oil analysis?)
>>>
>>> You can't do anything with either without taking the transmission
>>> apart. Changing the oil won't make it better, but clean oil will help
>>> keep metal particles from going through other parts of the
>>> transmission.
>>>
>>> This is the Audi God's way of telling you it's time for a 6 speed
>> upgrade
>>>     :-)
>>>
>>>     - Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>>   Charlie Smith   charlie at elektro.cmhnet.org  614-471-1418
>>>   http://www.elektro.com/~charlie      Columbus Ohio   USA
>>>   http://www.elektro.com/~audi     photos & technical info
>>>
>>>   95 S6 Quattro  -  24 PSI, RS2 6 speed, and other features
>>>   97 Dodge Ram   -  40 PSI, 4x4 w/Cummins turbo diesel
>>>

Tim Radbourne
93 S4 @ 140K