[s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Bill Bennett
ur.quattro at verizon.net
Sat Jun 21 23:08:52 EDT 2003
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Calvin, send me the Duracool specifications off list where we should have b=
een a message or two ago, (my apologies to all) and if Duracool was cool, O=
EM's would be using it, ehh? Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Calvin & Diana Craig
To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars ; V=
8 ; urq ; 200 List
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Bill,
I am just saying that you brought up the whole flammable thing and I don'=
t think it's a relevant argument against using R-12 substitutes when the "s=
ubstitute" the industry has made standard is more flammable. Why use Durac=
ool...easy...I don't have to change my seals, etc. like I would if I switch=
ed to R-134a. If I had an R-134a car would I use something different...pro=
bably not, too easy to put the same crap in there that the factory did. An=
d yes, it is scary that Saab builds airplanes.
--Calvin
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bennett [mailto:ur.quattro at verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:14 PM
To: Calvin & Diana Craig; Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts; S C=
ars; V8; urq; 200 List
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Calvin, none of my cars have any refrigerant, I live in Orygun, save th=
e weight, why haul around what you do not need, I just sit around every wee=
kend spittin' and tossing matches with my beer buddies into a bucket filled=
with liquid gasoline, we bet who can make it lite off, the loser has to dr=
ink another beer, boy we get sheet faced! sit around and fart and beer burp=
s and talk about the big difference between a liquid and a vapor (gas) in t=
he same ignition event, we are thinking about building a device to collect =
vapor, go have some beers and toss matches and see what happens. And seriou=
sly! Duracool? who sells recycling machines for it? (no one) who sells recy=
cling machines for R134a? All the A/C suppliers. Who supports Duracool with=
technical advise? no one I heard of. Who supports R134a with technical adv=
ise? Well MACS, iATN, SAE, LMVIND, WIS, TIS, Audi, Volvo, VW, Mickie Benz, =
BuMmerW, Porsche, Slaab( scary that Saab builds planes too), and all the Am=
erican car manufacturers, oh, also the japs and koreans. Bill PS R 134a m=
ay not be the best coolant, it is the industry standard
----- Original Message -----
From: Calvin & Diana Craig
To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars=
; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Bill,
I hope you don't have any R134a in any of your vehicles. The autoign=
ition temperature for that is 300 degrees LESS than Duracool. I don't know=
about Autofrost, but Duracool is what I use. A full charge of this stuff =
will create a flash for 1 to 1.5 seconds when ignited, which of course is h=
arder to do than the R134a that is in all the newer vehicles. People see t=
he word hydrocarbon and get scared. EVERYTHING is flammable, it's just a m=
atter of at what temperature and under what conditions.
I don't quite understand the statement about throw a match on liquid =
gasoline and it goes out. I thought gas was one of the best fire accelerat=
ors around.
--Calvin
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bennett [mailto:ur.quattro at verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:47 PM
To: Calvin & Diana Craig; Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts;=
S Cars; V8; urq; 200 List
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Yeah, and it is not a foot from the front of the car in vapor in a =
fragile aluminum tube boob, no thanks Calvin, I like my urq too much to use=
this sheet, throw a match on liquid gasoline it goes out, throw a match on=
flammable gas? WHOMP!
----- Original Message -----
From: Calvin & Diana Craig
To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S =
Cars ; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Yeah, so is gas, but we seem to put about 21 gallons of that in t=
he car :)
--Calvin
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From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bennett
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:10 PM
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Subject: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
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after visiting their website using that refrigerant in an URQ wou=
ld be a BAD
idea. URQ's use the mini York, the shaft seal materials are not c=
ompatible
with that refrigerant R406A and it is flammable! not a good idea =
in a car,
Kaboom! in a collision event! pay the piper and stay with R-12 or=
convert to
R-134a. Regards, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Johnson
To: northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars ; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:39 PM
Subject: [urq] AutoFrost?
Have any of you successfully used AutoFrost instead of Freon?
See www.autofrost.com
TIA for your input.
Greg J
BIRA.ORG
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