[s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?

[Calvin & Diana Craig]

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Bill,

I am just saying that you brought up the whole flammable thing and I don't
think it's a relevant argument against using R-12 substitutes when the
"substitute" the industry has made standard is more flammable.  Why use
Duracool...easy...I don't have to change my seals, etc. like I would if I
switched to R-134a.  If I had an R-134a car would I use something
different...probably not, too easy to put the same crap in there that the
factory did.  And yes, it is scary that Saab builds airplanes.

--Calvin

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Bill Bennett [mailto:ur.quattro at verizon.net]
  Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:14 PM
  To: Calvin & Diana Craig; Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts; S
Cars; V8; urq; 200 List
  Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?


  Calvin, none of my cars have any refrigerant, I live in Orygun, save the
weight, why haul around what you do not need, I just sit around every
weekend spittin' and tossing matches with my beer buddies into a bucket
filled with liquid gasoline, we bet who can make it lite off, the loser has
to drink another beer, boy we get sheet faced! sit around and fart and beer
burps and talk about the big difference between a liquid and a vapor (gas)
in the same ignition event, we are thinking about building a device to
collect vapor, go have some beers and toss matches and see what happens. And
seriously! Duracool? who sells recycling machines for it? (no one) who sells
recycling machines for R134a? All the A/C suppliers. Who supports Duracool
with technical advise? no one I heard of. Who supports R134a with technical
advise? Well MACS, iATN, SAE, LMVIND, WIS, TIS, Audi, Volvo, VW, Mickie
Benz, BuMmerW, Porsche, Slaab( scary that Saab builds planes too), and all
the American car manufacturers, oh, also the japs and koreans.   Bill PS R
134a may not be the best coolant, it is the industry standard
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Calvin & Diana Craig
    To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars ;
V8 ; urq ; 200 List
    Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:38 PM
    Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?


    Bill,

    I hope you don't have any R134a in any of your vehicles.  The
autoignition temperature for that is 300 degrees LESS than Duracool.  I
don't know about Autofrost, but Duracool is what I use.  A full charge of
this stuff will create a flash for 1 to 1.5 seconds when ignited, which of
course is harder to do than the R134a that is in all the newer vehicles.
People see the word hydrocarbon and get scared.  EVERYTHING is flammable,
it's just a matter of at what temperature and under what conditions.

    I don't quite understand the statement about throw a match on liquid
gasoline and it goes out.  I thought gas was one of the best fire
accelerators around.

    --Calvin

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Bill Bennett [mailto:ur.quattro at verizon.net]
      Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:47 PM
      To: Calvin & Diana Craig; Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts; S
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      Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?


      Yeah, and it is not a foot from the front of the car in vapor in a
fragile aluminum tube boob, no thanks Calvin, I like my urq too much to use
this sheet, throw a match on liquid gasoline it goes out, throw a match on
flammable gas? WHOMP!
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Calvin & Diana Craig
        To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S
Cars ; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
        Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:52 PM
        Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?


        Yeah, so is gas, but we seem to put about 21 gallons of that in the
car :)
        --Calvin


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        From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
        [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bennett
        Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:10 PM
        To: Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts; S Cars; V8; urq; 200
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        Subject: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?


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        after visiting their website using that refrigerant in an URQ would
be a BAD
        idea. URQ's use the mini York, the shaft seal materials are not
compatible
        with that refrigerant R406A and it is flammable! not a good idea in
a car,
        Kaboom! in a collision event! pay the piper and stay with R-12 or
convert to
        R-134a. Regards, Bill
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          From: Greg Johnson
          To: northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars ; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
          Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:39 PM
          Subject: [urq] AutoFrost?


          Have any of you successfully used AutoFrost instead of Freon?

          See www.autofrost.com

          TIA for your input.

          Greg J
          BIRA.ORG


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