[s-cars] Brake Options?

Wed Sep 3 00:01:18 EDT 2003

I think alot of the improved feel of replacing the pads up front comes from
just getting the rear brakes re-adjusted tighter to the rotors.
To that extent, after I upgraded to my 996 set-up I went out to do some
bedding and tests.
I was less than impressed with the pedal feel, since we had not really
touched the rears any.
We suction bleed the fronts and therefore had very little manual brake pedal
push bleeding.

I decided to check things out with out the rear brake circuit connected.
Well the pedal now felt like stone.
Even with fat tires I was able to lock the fronts up (with out ABS ) which
is very hard to do with the rear's connected.

Now, I have also driven an S6 with a coleman replicator front rotor (not
sure of the Dia.) and the G60's on a custom bracket.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the feel or the stopping power of
that set-up. There is a combination of problems with the stock G60 set-up.
Diameter of the rotor, thickness and cooling of the rotor, and pad material
all contribute to the stock set-up's down falls. This ofcourse is just my
HO, and YMMV.

And to sum up how much I like my 996/993 conversion, I trashed my GOOD
summer rims because I could not get a set of 17" steel rims and snow tires
for last winter. But there was no way in hell the brakes where coming off
for the winter, as I had planned.

Hope it wasn't too long winded :-)

Mark S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rossato" <bob.rossato at att.net>
To: "Vincent Frégeac" <vfregeac at sympatico.ca>; <Paul.Park at colorado.edu>;
<s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: RE: RE : [s-cars] Brake Options?

I will echo what Vincent suggests.  It is absolutely amazing the difference
a new set of pads and rotors makes.  I no longer have to pump the brakes to
get good pedal feel and I have confidence in the brakes again.  I think the
problem with the OEM set up is that after you wear them about a third of the
way, or so, the system gets too much flex in it and you start getting that
mushy feel.  So, if you're looking to save some money for now you can put in
new rotors and pads all the way around for $300 or less.  And then upgrade
to Big Reds/Blacks as the pocket book allows.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Vincent Frégeac
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: Paul.Park at colorado.edu; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: RE : [s-cars] Brake Options?
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Now that everybody have said BIRA is the only thing to do, I'll try
> another route. If you still have OEM rotors and pads, Pagid pads - or
> other aftermarket pads - do make a difference. I've changed to Zimmerman
> rotors at the same time as mine was warped but I don't think the rotor
> brand really make a difference in braking power. SS-braided lines give a
> very little advantage in acceleration as your wallet is lighter but it
> doesn't made any difference regarding the pedal feel for me. My OEM
> lines were toasted so I threw a few more box for Paradox lines instead
> of OEM but if your lines are fine, keep them.
>
> So, at the end, aftermarket pads may be a first cheap step toward more
> braking power. And the next step seems to be BIRA.
>
>
>
> Vincent
> '96 urS6 with spongy brake pedal thanks to the G60
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com] De la part de
> Paul.Park at colorado.edu
> Envoyé : 31 août 2003 23:49
> À : s-car-list at audifans.com
> Objet : [s-cars] Brake Options?
>
> I'm wondering if the 993TT/996TT brakes are beneficial to cars that
> aren't
> tracked at all, but driven hard on a daily basis.
>
> I guess what I'm looking for, is a system that is competent during road
> trips,
> which would be, for me at least, 4-5 hours through desert conditions. I
> just
> changed my brake fluid, so I'm hoping I never have to experience the
> "pedal to
> the floor without any noticeable slowing down" feeling.
>
> If I were to upgrade to stainless steel brake lines, ATE Powerdiscs, and
> HAWK
> brake pads, would I notice anything in terms of Brake Fade and stopping
> distance?
>
> What are some options that will allow me to stop in a shorter distance,
> while
> not building up too much detrimental heat? My dream is to go BIRA Stg.
> 6, but
> if I can get away with upgrading the rotors/pads/lines, as well as going
> with a
>
> sticker tire that'll give me a comparable non-track characteristic as
> Big Reds,
>
> then I'm all for that.
>
> SO I guess to sum it all up, how do upgrade G60s compare to the Big
> Reds?
> Anyone have experience with Wilwoods? Alcons?
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
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