[s-cars] Chevron Gas with Techron (MBTE) in Canada

[Steve Marinello]

This is something like doing away with flurohydrocarbons for a/c.  The
compounds were developed because of their high heat exchanging capabilities
and to substitute means using less efficient compounds so that the equipment
requires more fuel to operate and generates more greenhouse exhaust gases.
I believe that it was shown that the net value of conversion is negative,
but that never stopped the advance of politicized science.

By the way, as a biologist and a petroleum engineer I've got a warped view
from both sides.  My favorite right now has to do with ANWR.  IF the oil
industry had been allowed to develop it 20 years ago, we would have cheaper
fuel and less foregin dependency right now...and it coulod have been done
with ice roads and minimal environmental impact.  With the effects of global
warming over 20 years, the cold period during which heavy equipment cold be
moved along ice roads has shrunk to the point that gravel roads would have
to be used in some cases.  Those do not have minimal impact.

We lose so much potential and waste so much time screaming at each other and
not getting things done.  When I think of all the money spent keeping
lawyers in riches; money spent by oil and big business and the Sierra Club
and the WWF, I get sick thinking of what else it could have been spent on.

Okay, I'm up to $.10 now.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mihnea Cotet" <mik at info.fundp.ac.be>
To: "Robert Myers" <robert at s-cars.org>; "Dave Forgie" <forgied at ae.ca>;
<s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Chevron Gas with Techron (MBTE) in Canada


> Isn't MBTE what the government is using in CA to trick people into
thinking
> their cars are more environmental-friendly because it reduced emissions?
> But actually, by lowering the fuel's energy content, one has to get more
> often on the gas, which means more gas use, thus IMO equal or even higher
> total emissions for all the cars in CA.... well, I guess for a dorF truck
> that does 12 miles to da gallon it doesn't make such a big difference
anyway...
>
>
> Mihnea, appreciating 98 RON with no MBTE crap in Belgium, C
>
> At 20:22 23/01/2004 -0500, Robert Myers wrote:
> >At 06:04 PM 1/23/2004 -0700, Dave Forgie wrote:
> >
> >>Brent:  I don't know where you are but I am in Vancouver BC and I can
get
> >>94 (RON+MON)/2 from every Chevron and PetroCan in the lower mainland
> >>(anti-smog measures).  Outside the Lower Mainland, 91 or 92 is always
> >>available.  In Alberta, there are Chevrons but I think only 91 or 92 (no
> >>94) (As far as I remember from last May).
> >>
> >>By the way isn't MBTE very close to toluene??
> >
> >Not at all!  Toluene is an aromatic hydrocarbon.  It contains a benzene
> >ring and has a methyl group (-CH3) attached to it.
> >
> >MTBE is methyl tertiary-butyl ether,  I has the same methyl group
attached
> >to an oxygen with is then attached to a tertiary-butyl group -C(CH3)3
> >
> >These two compounds are almost totally different in their chemistry and
> >also their environmental effects.
> >
> >Toluene can be used as an octane booster.  MTBE is used as a fuel
> >oxygenator designed to reduce emissions of unburned hydrocarbons.  It
> >actually lowers the fuel's energy content.
> >
> >____
> >
> >Quit bitching.  Start a revolution.
> >
> >Bob
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