[s-cars] Re: S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 29
Larry C Leung
l.leung at juno.com
Sat Jul 10 20:49:16 EDT 2004
Tony:
When tires get wide, camber mis-alignment issues get exacerbated,
especially with wide rims. On my Solo2 GTi, which stock specs
are VERY similar to the UrS (coincidence), I was running 1.3
degrees negative camber for the Auto-X season, and since I
didn't winter the car, all of it's simply "fun" drives. Since my
street rubber and rims on the car were comparatively small
(195/55-14 on 6 inch rims), the wear on the insides was not
as bad as Eric described on his UrS, although the insides of
the fronts did wear notably quicker than the rest of the tires
though, although rotating frequently got reasonable wear out
of them. The other issue would be toe-out, which will wear
out the insides of the tires MUCH more quickly than too much
negative camber (BTDT while waiting for tie-rod ends for my
200Q. Once the toe was fixed, the excess wear stopped).
Perhaps that's what was wrong with Eric's car.
LL - NY
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:07:36 -0700
> From: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [s-cars] Re: UrS4/S6 Front Alignment Specs
> To: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>, <RubEric at aol.com>,
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <001d01c466eb$d638a240$92c7fea9 at thecurranmach>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks Fred.
>
> So this confirms the camber specs I've been seeing. But what about
> the
> shredding of Eric's tire? It was just out of spec and shredded. Mine
> was WAY
> out of spec and didn't. What's at play here?
>
> Interested because next upgrade is probably new 17" wheels from
> stock Avus
> with either 225 or 235 tires.
>
> Tony
> 96 S6
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> To: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>; <RubEric at aol.com>;
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:35 AM
> Subject: UrS4/S6 Front Alignment Specs
>
>
> > The official UrS4/S6 front alignment specs from page T44-4 of the
> Bentley
> > are as follows:
> >
> > Toe: spec +15' (+0.25 degrees), range +5' to +20' (+0.08 degrees
> to + 0.33
> > degrees)
> >
> > Camber: spec -50' (- 0.8 degrees), range -15' to -80' (- 0.25
> degrees
> > to -1.33 degrees)
> > Note: Max difference between sides 30' (0.5 degrees)
> >
> > Caster: spec +55' (+ 0.91 degrees), range +15' to +95' (+ 0.25
> degrees to
> > +1.58 degrees)
> > Note: max 1 degree
> >
> > The figures in brackets are my conversions of minutes to degrees.
> >
> > Fred Munro
> > '94 S4
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony [mailto:tony.curran at sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: July 10, 2004 1:22 AM
> > To: Fred Munro; RubEric at aol.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> >
> >
> > Here is a link to theCS Tuning site where they are demonstrating
> the
> > benefits of their camber plates. The vehicle alignment reports at
> the
> bottom
> > clearly show spec is -1.3 deg to -0.4 degs. This is the same as
> the outfit
> > who aligned my car, from the report provided.
> >
> > My report also showed what the pre-alignment camber was.
> > Before
> > Left -1.1 deg, Right -2.0 degs.
> >
> > After
> > Left -1.3 degs, Right -1.5 degs
> >
> > My car was previously owned by someone in Montreal which is
> infamous for
> its
> > potholes. I suspected the camber was out as the right side tire
> wear was
> not
> > consistent with the left side. After the 40000kms in two years,
> there has
> > been some extra wear but no shredding and no metal visible. I
> delayed
> > re-aligning as I knew I would be replacing suspension and tires in
> not too
> > distant future.
> >
> > So what is it that has caused Eric's tire to shred. Could it be
> the
> > combination of camber spec and wider tire - mine are stock 225 tho
> they
> are
> > all season which are due to be change soon.
> >
> > Tony
> > 96 S6
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>
> > To: <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>; <RubEric at aol.com>;
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> >
> >
> > > The front camber alignment spec for the UrS4 (from the alignment
> machine
> > > printout at my local dealer) is -1.08 to -0.08. Caster is +0.25
> to +1.58
> > and
> > > toe is +0.04 to +0.17
> > >
> > > The inside shoulders of my tires were wearing at a camber of
> -1.04 with
> > the
> > > stock suspension.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Fred Munro
> > > '94 S4
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of
> > > tony.curran at sympatico.ca
> > > Sent: July 9, 2004 1:12 PM
> > > To: RubEric at aol.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric,
> > >
> > > I too have just lowered my 96 S6 with Eibachs/Bilstein. My car
> has
> dropped
> > > 20mm front and back tho back has 10mm spacer. I maintained the
> original
> > > camber plates. Camber after alignment is -1.3 left and -1.5
> right. I was
> > > told spec is -1.3 to -0.4 - I'd point you to the ECS Tuning link
> that
> > shows
> > > this but I don't have it on my office PC.
> > >
> > > I will keep an eye on the inside edges for wear.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > > 96 S6
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: RubEric at aol.com
> > > > Date: 2004/07/09 Fri PM 12:58:40 EST
> > > > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > > Subject: [s-cars] Tire Wear - Lowered S6
> > > >
> > > > The subject is my treasured S6, chipped w/digital boost gauge.
> I have
> 18
> > > inch
> > > > Avus wheels with SP 9000 235-40x18 tires and big reds. I
> installed
> > Eibach
> > > > springs and Bilstein shocks lowering the car about 1-3/4
> inches. (The
> > > Bilstien's
> > > > were harsh - the car rode as if the tires had 100 lbs of air -
> so I
> > > removed
> > > > them and reinstalled the original equipment shocks. The
> resulting ride
> > is
> > > > wonderful.)
> > > >
> > > > With slotted strut mounts, the car aligned with camber at -1.5
> deg L
> > > and -1.2
> > > > deg R. Specs are - 1.1 deg to -0.1 deg. I realized this was
> out of
> > spec
> > > but
> > > > it was not FAR out, was it? My plan was to monitor tire wear
> and to
> > > replace
> > > > the camber plates if wear became evident.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I watched for unusual tread wear but none appeared so I
> concluded
> > > that
> > > > I had avoided the expense of a caster/camber adjustment system
> and was
> > > okay.
> > > >
> > > > Well, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! I was looking in the wrong place!
> The
> tread
> > > did
> > > > not show evidence of excessive wear - the wear was taking place
> on the
> > > inside
> > > > shoulder of the tires. I have never seen such wear. The
> inside
> shoulder
> > > was
> > > > actually worn concave and the steel belts were showing along
> about a
> > foot
> > > of the
> > > > circumference! (Pics available, if of interest.) This was
> after about
> > > 8,000
> > > > miles!
> > > >
> > > > Well, I ordered four new SP 9000's and 2Bennett's
> camber/caster
> system.
> > > > ($O,uch) I am very impressed by how beautifully made these
> plates
> are.
> > > > Installation was very easy. Thanks very much for the group
> purchase.
> > That
> > > really helped.
> > > >
> > > > Alignment with the 2 Bennet System yielded -0.8 deg Left and -
> 0.5 deg
> > > right,
> > > > about in the middle of the spec, with everything else within
> specs.
> > > >
> > > > I did not think being only so 'slightly' out of spec would
> result in
> > such
> > > > spectacular wear and I wonder if it there is some other
> problem. Altho
> I
> > > now seem
> > > > to be within spec I will monitor tire wear, especially on the
> inside
> > > > shoulders, much more carefully.
> > > >
> > > > My thoughts: If you're gonna' lower, you gotta' change the
> plates!
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck,
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > > 95 S6
> > > > Olympic
> > > > RT 10
> > > > XK 120 (Hers)
> > > > Mk IV (Hers too!)
> > > > FLHR
> > > > FLHRC (Hers)
> > > > Chry CQ
> > > > Some trucks.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:15:51 -0700
> From: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> To: <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
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> I have just added a second rear fog light to my S6. Quite cheap to
> do. I'm using LED 1156 bulbs so the power draw is minimal and allows
> you to tap in to the original wiring to make the connections.
>
> Parts:
> 2 x 1156 LED bulbs obtained off eBay.
> 1 x folg lamp bulb socket Audi no. 893 945 265 (Cdn$9.34 inc tax)
> 2 x self stripping tap connections obtained from your local auto
> parts supplier, or in my case Canadian Tire.
> 36 inches of speaker wire or similar.
>
> This will catch you up with the C5 A6 which has twin rear fogs.
>
> Tony
> 96 S6
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:39:07 -0400
> From: Robert Myers <robert at s-cars.org>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> To: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>, <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>
> Message-ID:
> <6.1.0.6.2.20040710193728.025f3aa0 at pop.registeredsite.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> The reasoning behind having only one rear fog light is that it helps
>
> prevent a following driver from thinking it's a brake light.
>
> At 07:15 PM 7/10/2004 -0700, Tony wrote:
>
> >I have just added a second rear fog light to my S6. Quite cheap to
> do. I'm
> >using LED 1156 bulbs so the power draw is minimal and allows you to
> tap in
> >to the original wiring to make the connections.
> >
> >Parts:
> >2 x 1156 LED bulbs obtained off eBay.
> >1 x folg lamp bulb socket Audi no. 893 945 265 (Cdn$9.34 inc tax)
> >2 x self stripping tap connections obtained from your local auto
> parts
> >supplier, or in my case Canadian Tire.
> >36 inches of speaker wire or similar.
> >
> >This will catch you up with the C5 A6 which has twin rear fogs.
> >
> >Tony
> >96 S6
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> _____
>
> Bob
>
> When Jesus said, "Love your enemies", I suspect he meant, "Do not
> kill them".
> _____
> Robert L. Myers 304-574-2372
> Rt. 4, Box 57, Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA WV tag Q SHIP
> '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen YM ID rmyers25840
> http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm
> _____
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:55:15 -0700
> From: "Tony" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
> To: <S-CAR-List at audifans.com>, "Robert Myers" <robert at s-cars.org>
> Message-ID: <003d01c466f2$7e2e5160$92c7fea9 at thecurranmach>
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>
> Don't think so. Centre brake light comes on with the brakes. I only
> use them in rain, snow and, of course, fog.
>
> It's the red turning signals that are confusing (which I don't have,
> by the way).
>
> Tony
> 96 S6
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Myers
> To: Tony ; S-CAR-List at audifans.com
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Just added 2nd rear fog light
>
>
>
> The reasoning behind having only one rear fog light is that it
> helps prevent a following driver from thinking it's a brake light.
>
> At 07:15 PM 7/10/2004 -0700, Tony wrote:
>
>
> I have just added a second rear fog light to my S6. Quite cheap
> to do. I'm using LED 1156 bulbs so the power draw is minimal and
> allows you to tap in to the original wiring to make the
> connections.
>
> Parts:
> 2 x 1156 LED bulbs obtained off eBay.
> 1 x folg lamp bulb socket Audi no. 893 945 265 (Cdn$9.34 inc
> tax)
> 2 x self stripping tap connections obtained from your local auto
> parts supplier, or in my case Canadian Tire.
> 36 inches of speaker wire or similar.
>
> This will catch you up with the C5 A6 which has twin rear fogs.
>
> Tony
> 96 S6
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>
> Bob
>
> When Jesus said, "Love your enemies", I suspect he meant, "Do not
> kill them".
> _____
> Robert L. Myers 304-574-2372
> Rt. 4, Box 57, Fayetteville, WV 25840 USA WV tag Q SHIP
>
> '95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen YM ID rmyers25840
>
> http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm
> _____
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:23:26 -0400
> From: Kirby Smith <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] RE: The Great Coolant Debate
> To: "Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)" <WQQ2PXK at ups.com>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <40F0887E.6AAE5DEB at verizon.net>
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>
> Tim switched mine from pink to green some time ago. For the same
> reason.
>
> kirby
>
>
>
> "Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)" wrote:
> >
> > Evan unknowingly cooled:
> >
> > <<<Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:45:54 -0400
> > From: "evan at relivmaine.com" <evan at relivmaine.com>
> > Subject: [s-cars] The Great Coolant Debate
> >
> > S-Heads,
> >
> > Just purchased my UrS6 in April and was showing it off to a fellow
> S-Head.
> > As we were looking under the hood, he turned to me with a
> horrified look
> > and scolded me for having "green" coolant in my car. "It's got to
> be the
> > red stuff, get that stuff out of there ASAP!">>>
> >
> > As I mentioned to Evan off-list yesterday, I had recently flushed
> out the
> > green stuff that came in my car with the correct blue. Only to
> have my head
> > gasket done @ NEA last week, and when I popped the hood I couldn't
> help but
> > notice the NEON GREEN overflow. I ever-so-humbly questioned Tim
> on it, to
> > which he replied, "Dextron (or whatever it's called) is better
> than any of
> > that other crap, I've had more water pumps, etc. get eaten with
> blue or pink
> > than with the green".
> >
> > I wasn't about to question his infinite wisdom further. Esp.
> after doing
> > such great work to my car.
> >
> > So, YMMV, but until my waterpump comes out in 20-30k for a tbelt
> change, I'm
> > running green I guess.
> >
> > -Paul what do I know K.
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