tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile, now:Re: superchargers are bad, mmkay?

Sat Jun 5 16:54:19 EDT 2004

"Keep your revs above 2500 all the time except when
cruising on the highway and you will be much happier."

yes, yes.   I know that.   but it is not always convenient to need to be in
the right gear.

thanks for replying.   (am I going to get kicked off the s-car list?)
Some of you act offended like I told you I wanted to have sex with your
mother.    ;-|  or your father.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
To: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>; <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
superchargers are bad, mmkay?

> Bill,
>
> I think that you have to consider what you want the car to do before you
buy
> it.  I never owned a turbo-charged car at sea level, because V-8s are so
> great when you have 14.7 psi of air pressure.  However, when I moved to
> Denver and all of a sudden 300 ft-lbs got cut to 240 because of altitude,
> and my HP was down in the 1xx range it was time to do something different.
>
> Since I was a torque nut I had to find some way to get acceptable
> performance, beat the environment so to speak.  So I switched to T-charged
> Audis because they had the most low end grunt of any of the turbos out
there
> plus the reliability of the turbos was so great and the AWD.  However, I
too
> agree that the 258 ft-lbs @ 1950 rpm is a bunch of crap.  I would guess
that
> doesn't come on until 2500-2700 rpm.
>
> Short of getting rid of your S-car for a V-8, Bill, I think you might want
> to simply change your driving habits.  When in San Francisco you shouldn't
> be driving your S-Car at 1800 rpm anymore than you would drive your old
> Supercoupe at 7000 rpm.  Keep your revs above 2500 all the time except
when
> cruising on the highway and you will be much happier.
>
> In regards to the Automatic/B5 comments....I have a 2.7T A6 automatic and
> when you step on the gas from a standing start the thing kind of says
> "WHAT?" for about 2-3 seconds before it goes, so I don't notice the wow
> factor off the line at all.  Also, maybe at sea level one of the B5's will
> "destroy" a UrS car but not up here.  The altitude compensation at the
> higher boost levels for the UrS is much better than that of the newer cars
> with the dual peanut sized hairdryers.  A stock UrS and a stock B5 stick
> shift will be almost a dead heat....I've done this with many of them.
They
> usually pull you by a couple of car lengths up to 75 or so but not by
much,
> at least at 6k feet of altitude.
>
> It all depends on the application.  Personally, if I were at sea level in
a
> town that it didn't snow in I don't know if I would own a UrS or not, but
in
> Denver I don't know if I will ever get rid of the car, it's perfect here.
>
> --Calvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Clancy
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:56 AM
> To: kirby.a.smith at verizon.net
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> superchargers are bad, mmkay?
>
>
> all good questions.   I guess it will take me time to get you the answers.
>
> thanks for replying....
>
> I think I just got bagged by the Audi-S-Car list supervisor.    This
reminds
> me of being 8 years old and my mom catching me lighting matches or pissing
> in the back yard.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirby Smith" <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
> To: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> superchargers are bad, mmkay?
>
>
> > Things to consider: Is your bypass valve functional or leaking? Are you
> > using too heavy of an oil?  Mobil 1 15W-50 vs 10W-40 makes a difference,
> > even in warm weather, I perceive.  Don't try to operate the engine in
> > lug mode, i.e., full throttle under 2500 rpm.  There is only so much an
> > Audi DOHC system can compensate for.  Is your wastegate frequency valve
> > in need of replacement?
> >
> > kirby
> >
> >
> > Bill Clancy wrote:
> > >
> > > but, read into this.   I am asking for help man.
> > > has anyone been able to get the turbo to respond quicker?     if you
> read
> > > the data, it is supposed to have 265 ft-lbs of torque at 1800.
> > > ahhh.....I'm not getting that.   I need 3000 rpm to get torque.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Dave Forgie" <forgied at direct.ca>; <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> > > superchargers are bad, mmkay?
> > >
> > > > OK... you got me.  yes, I bad mouthed the S-car.
> > > > but my argument/question was why not a supercharger?     Mercedes
> makes
> > > that
> > > > SLK kompressor.   I have never driven one, so I don't know if it is
> any
> > > > good.
> > > >
> > > > thanks for your feedback.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dave Forgie" <forgied at direct.ca>
> > > > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:50 AM
> > > > Subject: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> > > > superchargers are bad, mmkay?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bill:  Your San Francisco hill story has more to do with having a
> > > > > standard transmission instead of an automatic than it does about
> having
> > > > > a turbo instead of a supercharger.  If I had to live in San Fran
> (and I
> > > > > visit fairly often), my daily driver wouldn't be a heavy car with
a
> > > > > standard.  It would be something automatic.  Same for bumper to
> bumper
> > > > > commutes anywhere.  The S-car was not developed to service that
> need.
> > > > > Or at least not a std. trans S-car (they had autos in Europe, even
> on
> > > > > the 20vt).
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think your arguement holds.  Regardless, rather than
> continuing
> > > > > to bad mouth the S-car, you should probably just sell it, and get
> > > > > something with a sport-matic/ tiptronic/manumatic.  Everyone will
be
> > > > > happier, even your favorite chick.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave F.
> > > > >
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