tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile, now:Re: superchargers are bad, mmkay?

Sat Jun 5 17:40:30 EDT 2004

Why would you think you would be booted.
No one around here takes things too seriously, well we have had exceptions
to that rule but....

People will give you there opinion with out hesitation , but I don't think
it is really indicating that they have taken exception to your comments.

Just my 2 cents, YMMV ;-)

Now lets have some flames :-)

Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>
To: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>;
<kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
superchargers are bad, mmkay?

> "Keep your revs above 2500 all the time except when
> cruising on the highway and you will be much happier."
>
> yes, yes.   I know that.   but it is not always convenient to need to be
in
> the right gear.
>
> thanks for replying.   (am I going to get kicked off the s-car list?)
> Some of you act offended like I told you I wanted to have sex with your
> mother.    ;-|  or your father.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
> To: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>; <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
> Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:47 PM
> Subject: RE: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> superchargers are bad, mmkay?
>
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > I think that you have to consider what you want the car to do before you
> buy
> > it.  I never owned a turbo-charged car at sea level, because V-8s are so
> > great when you have 14.7 psi of air pressure.  However, when I moved to
> > Denver and all of a sudden 300 ft-lbs got cut to 240 because of
altitude,
> > and my HP was down in the 1xx range it was time to do something
different.
> >
> > Since I was a torque nut I had to find some way to get acceptable
> > performance, beat the environment so to speak.  So I switched to
T-charged
> > Audis because they had the most low end grunt of any of the turbos out
> there
> > plus the reliability of the turbos was so great and the AWD.  However, I
> too
> > agree that the 258 ft-lbs @ 1950 rpm is a bunch of crap.  I would guess
> that
> > doesn't come on until 2500-2700 rpm.
> >
> > Short of getting rid of your S-car for a V-8, Bill, I think you might
want
> > to simply change your driving habits.  When in San Francisco you
shouldn't
> > be driving your S-Car at 1800 rpm anymore than you would drive your old
> > Supercoupe at 7000 rpm.  Keep your revs above 2500 all the time except
> when
> > cruising on the highway and you will be much happier.
> >
> > In regards to the Automatic/B5 comments....I have a 2.7T A6 automatic
and
> > when you step on the gas from a standing start the thing kind of says
> > "WHAT?" for about 2-3 seconds before it goes, so I don't notice the wow
> > factor off the line at all.  Also, maybe at sea level one of the B5's
will
> > "destroy" a UrS car but not up here.  The altitude compensation at the
> > higher boost levels for the UrS is much better than that of the newer
cars
> > with the dual peanut sized hairdryers.  A stock UrS and a stock B5 stick
> > shift will be almost a dead heat....I've done this with many of them.
> They
> > usually pull you by a couple of car lengths up to 75 or so but not by
> much,
> > at least at 6k feet of altitude.
> >
> > It all depends on the application.  Personally, if I were at sea level
in
> a
> > town that it didn't snow in I don't know if I would own a UrS or not,
but
> in
> > Denver I don't know if I will ever get rid of the car, it's perfect
here.
> >
> > --Calvin
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Clancy
> > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:56 AM
> > To: kirby.a.smith at verizon.net
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> > superchargers are bad, mmkay?
> >
> >
> > all good questions.   I guess it will take me time to get you the
answers.
> >
> > thanks for replying....
> >
> > I think I just got bagged by the Audi-S-Car list supervisor.    This
> reminds
> > me of being 8 years old and my mom catching me lighting matches or
pissing
> > in the back yard.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirby Smith" <kirby.a.smith at verizon.net>
> > To: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> > superchargers are bad, mmkay?
> >
> >
> > > Things to consider: Is your bypass valve functional or leaking? Are
you
> > > using too heavy of an oil?  Mobil 1 15W-50 vs 10W-40 makes a
difference,
> > > even in warm weather, I perceive.  Don't try to operate the engine in
> > > lug mode, i.e., full throttle under 2500 rpm.  There is only so much
an
> > > Audi DOHC system can compensate for.  Is your wastegate frequency
valve
> > > in need of replacement?
> > >
> > > kirby
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Clancy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > but, read into this.   I am asking for help man.
> > > > has anyone been able to get the turbo to respond quicker?     if you
> > read
> > > > the data, it is supposed to have 265 ft-lbs of torque at 1800.
> > > > ahhh.....I'm not getting that.   I need 3000 rpm to get torque.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill Clancy" <clancybill at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "Dave Forgie" <forgied at direct.ca>; <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:59 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 ,
1/4mile,now:Re:
> > > > superchargers are bad, mmkay?
> > > >
> > > > > OK... you got me.  yes, I bad mouthed the S-car.
> > > > > but my argument/question was why not a supercharger?     Mercedes
> > makes
> > > > that
> > > > > SLK kompressor.   I have never driven one, so I don't know if it
is
> > any
> > > > > good.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for your feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dave Forgie" <forgied at direct.ca>
> > > > > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:50 AM
> > > > > Subject: tubo vs super -- Re: [s-cars] was, 0-60 , 1/4mile,now:Re:
> > > > > superchargers are bad, mmkay?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bill:  Your San Francisco hill story has more to do with having
a
> > > > > > standard transmission instead of an automatic than it does about
> > having
> > > > > > a turbo instead of a supercharger.  If I had to live in San Fran
> > (and I
> > > > > > visit fairly often), my daily driver wouldn't be a heavy car
with
> a
> > > > > > standard.  It would be something automatic.  Same for bumper to
> > bumper
> > > > > > commutes anywhere.  The S-car was not developed to service that
> > need.
> > > > > > Or at least not a std. trans S-car (they had autos in Europe,
even
> > on
> > > > > > the 20vt).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think your arguement holds.  Regardless, rather than
> > continuing
> > > > > > to bad mouth the S-car, you should probably just sell it, and
get
> > > > > > something with a sport-matic/ tiptronic/manumatic.  Everyone
will
> be
> > > > > > happier, even your favorite chick.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave F.
> > > > > >
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