[s-cars] Window issues

Tue Sep 14 08:03:38 EDT 2004

Thanks for the info Fred. I'll pull the relay then and see what happens.
Expecting it to work though, since the symptoms are the exact same :)

> Nick;
>
> Remove the A1 circuit breaker in the relay box under the hood, drivers
> side.
> This will take the power off the J139 relay. You won't have to cut the
> wire.
>
> I've attached a copy of the post Teddy refers to below.
>
> Fred Munro
> '94 S4
>
>>>>Thanks to Tom, Igor, Teddy, Calvin, and Dave for responding to my
>>>> current
> drain question and confirming that the drain was indeed too high.
>
> A bit of work with a digital ammeter isolated the problem to the automatic
> window closure circuit. Pulling the A1 breaker in the under-hood relay box
> dropped the drain to below 10 mA.
>
> This circuit is designed to close windows or the sunroof if they are open
> when the car is locked. This feature has never worked on my car. The
> circuit
> has it's own relay under the driver's side A-pillar kick panel. The power
> supply side is "fused" with a 30 amp breaker in the A1 position in the
> underhood relay box. The relay is triggered by a white/yellow wire from
> the
> power window control module.
>
> This is apparently a relatively common source of a battery drain problem -
> it is written up on Scott Mockry's website and the recommended fix is to
> cut
> the yellow/white wire.
>
> Removing the A1 breaker fixed my problem - this disables the auto close
> circuit and leaves the power windows operational. From this I assume my
> relay is either fused closed or is indeed being activated by the control
> module (via the yellow/white wire) and the power drain is in the circuit
> itself somewhere.
>
> The car now has a 100 mA drain for 30 seconds after the alarm is set, then
> it drops off to 10 mA with a spike to 20 mA every 5 seconds.
>
> A substantial improvement from 280 mA.
>
> When I get some time (ha!) I'll pull the relay to check it out.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Theodore Chen
> Sent: September 13, 2004 7:00 PM
> To: nick at newtsplace.com; s-cars
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Window issues
>
>
> nick, check the archives.  you can just pull a relay in the engine
> compartment.  fred munro did that - i think it's the A2.  there are
> two relays listed as being for the alarm/locking system.  one of them
> will shut down the system.  the other one won't produce any apparent
> effect.  that one is the correct one.  it's either A1 or A2, if i remember
> right.
>
> it's good you caught it, because a new J139 costs $300 from the dealer.
>
> -t.
>
> --- Nicholas Stuart <nick at newtsplace.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your help guys. I think for now I'll just cut the little
>> yellow
>> wire. A lot cheaper then the $300 for a pumb ;)
>> I'll eventually replace it, but at the moment I be poor so snip snip it
> is.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> > you're lucky you caught it now.  that J139 relay is expensive and hard
>> > to find.  this is your relay with 329 stamped on it.
>> >
>> > the culprit is your central locking system, which is commanding the
>> J139
>> > relay to close all the windows.  it causes the relay to click rapidly,
>> > and eventually die.  mine was bad.  when i got a replacement, i found
>> > the replacement was clicking rapidly, and determined that the central
>> > locking module was killing it.
>> >
>> > it also drains the battery, too.
>> >
>> > http://sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/elec.html#windowrelayclick
>> >
>> > i just cut the wire, but another lister removed a relay (A2?) and that
>> > stopped it.  check the archives for this list, sometime this year.
>> > i think the other lister was fred munro.
>> >
>> > -teddy
>> >
>> > --- Nicholas Stuart <nick at newtsplace.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello all, I'm new to the list and 'semi' new to my S4. (Quick
>> >> backstory,
>> >> 1992 S4 with 240k + miles, one owner car, runs like a champ, few
>> >> expected
>> >> fixes here and there).
>> >>
>> >> Anyways, now that that's done with I have a recent problem that I'm
>> not
>> >> sure where to begin with. My power windows are acting really flaky
>> when
>> >> I
>> >> turn the car off. They work fine when driving and have no issues. But
>> >> the
>> >> will sometimes not turn off (switches still illuminated and work)
>> when
> I
>> >> turn off the car. They will also, sporadically close if i leave them
>> >> open
>> >> and leave the car. And the close while locking feature will also work
>> >> occasionally. One last thing is that the big double relay #'ed 329
>> (in
>> >> the
>> >> drivers side foot well by the door) clicks on and off really quickly
>> >> when
>> >> the car is off.
>> >>
>> >> For now, to get around this with out it killing my battery every
>> night,
>> >> I've been removing relay numbered 329 in the panel by the drivers
>> side
>> >> door. I think its a short somewhere, as it doesnt happen all the
>> time.
>> >> Where should I look for a broken where to this? Wires going through
>> the
>> >> door hing area? Or somewhere else? Or could it just be a freaky
>> relay?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the help/suggestions.
>> >> Nick
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