[s-cars] Window issues

Tue Sep 14 17:58:59 EDT 2004

Nick,
I seem to remember pulling the relay and it helping but not fixing the
problem on my car.  I cut the wire and all is well (I put the relay back).
I can live without the automatic close feature.  My suggestion: cut the
wire.
Bob
93//S4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicholas Stuart" <nick at newtsplace.com>
To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Window issues

> Well, I removed that breaker and the relay was still clicking away :( and
> my window went up by itself. Also, don't I want power to the J139 relay,
> as with out it my windows wont work at all? (know from having to unplug it
> so it wont keep clicking).
>
> I'm not sure if cutting the wire will even work if that didn't. Any other
> ideas anyone?
>
> Thanks again fred, but unfortunatly it didn't help.
>
>
>
> > Nick;
> >
> > Remove the A1 circuit breaker in the relay box under the hood, drivers
> > side.
> > This will take the power off the J139 relay. You won't have to cut the
> > wire.
> >
> > I've attached a copy of the post Teddy refers to below.
> >
> > Fred Munro
> > '94 S4
> >
> >>>>Thanks to Tom, Igor, Teddy, Calvin, and Dave for responding to my
> >>>> current
> > drain question and confirming that the drain was indeed too high.
> >
> > A bit of work with a digital ammeter isolated the problem to the
automatic
> > window closure circuit. Pulling the A1 breaker in the under-hood relay
box
> > dropped the drain to below 10 mA.
> >
> > This circuit is designed to close windows or the sunroof if they are
open
> > when the car is locked. This feature has never worked on my car. The
> > circuit
> > has it's own relay under the driver's side A-pillar kick panel. The
power
> > supply side is "fused" with a 30 amp breaker in the A1 position in the
> > underhood relay box. The relay is triggered by a white/yellow wire from
> > the
> > power window control module.
> >
> > This is apparently a relatively common source of a battery drain
problem -
> > it is written up on Scott Mockry's website and the recommended fix is to
> > cut
> > the yellow/white wire.
> >
> > Removing the A1 breaker fixed my problem - this disables the auto close
> > circuit and leaves the power windows operational. From this I assume my
> > relay is either fused closed or is indeed being activated by the control
> > module (via the yellow/white wire) and the power drain is in the circuit
> > itself somewhere.
> >
> > The car now has a 100 mA drain for 30 seconds after the alarm is set,
then
> > it drops off to 10 mA with a spike to 20 mA every 5 seconds.
> >
> > A substantial improvement from 280 mA.
> >
> > When I get some time (ha!) I'll pull the relay to check it out.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Theodore Chen
> > Sent: September 13, 2004 7:00 PM
> > To: nick at newtsplace.com; s-cars
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Window issues
> >
> >
> > nick, check the archives.  you can just pull a relay in the engine
> > compartment.  fred munro did that - i think it's the A2.  there are
> > two relays listed as being for the alarm/locking system.  one of them
> > will shut down the system.  the other one won't produce any apparent
> > effect.  that one is the correct one.  it's either A1 or A2, if i
remember
> > right.
> >
> > it's good you caught it, because a new J139 costs $300 from the dealer.
> >
> > -t.
> >
> > --- Nicholas Stuart <nick at newtsplace.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for your help guys. I think for now I'll just cut the little
> >> yellow
> >> wire. A lot cheaper then the $300 for a pumb ;)
> >> I'll eventually replace it, but at the moment I be poor so snip snip it
> > is.
> >>
> >> -Nick
> >>
> >> > you're lucky you caught it now.  that J139 relay is expensive and
hard
> >> > to find.  this is your relay with 329 stamped on it.
> >> >
> >> > the culprit is your central locking system, which is commanding the
> >> J139
> >> > relay to close all the windows.  it causes the relay to click
rapidly,
> >> > and eventually die.  mine was bad.  when i got a replacement, i found
> >> > the replacement was clicking rapidly, and determined that the central
> >> > locking module was killing it.
> >> >
> >> > it also drains the battery, too.
> >> >
> >> > http://sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/elec.html#windowrelayclick
> >> >
> >> > i just cut the wire, but another lister removed a relay (A2?) and
that
> >> > stopped it.  check the archives for this list, sometime this year.
> >> > i think the other lister was fred munro.
> >> >
> >> > -teddy
> >> >
> >> > --- Nicholas Stuart <nick at newtsplace.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello all, I'm new to the list and 'semi' new to my S4. (Quick
> >> >> backstory,
> >> >> 1992 S4 with 240k + miles, one owner car, runs like a champ, few
> >> >> expected
> >> >> fixes here and there).
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyways, now that that's done with I have a recent problem that I'm
> >> not
> >> >> sure where to begin with. My power windows are acting really flaky
> >> when
> >> >> I
> >> >> turn the car off. They work fine when driving and have no issues.
But
> >> >> the
> >> >> will sometimes not turn off (switches still illuminated and work)
> >> when
> > I
> >> >> turn off the car. They will also, sporadically close if i leave them
> >> >> open
> >> >> and leave the car. And the close while locking feature will also
work
> >> >> occasionally. One last thing is that the big double relay #'ed 329
> >> (in
> >> >> the
> >> >> drivers side foot well by the door) clicks on and off really quickly
> >> >> when
> >> >> the car is off.
> >> >>
> >> >> For now, to get around this with out it killing my battery every
> >> night,
> >> >> I've been removing relay numbered 329 in the panel by the drivers
> >> side
> >> >> door. I think its a short somewhere, as it doesnt happen all the
> >> time.
> >> >> Where should I look for a broken where to this? Wires going through
> >> the
> >> >> door hing area? Or somewhere else? Or could it just be a freaky
> >> relay?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for the help/suggestions.
> >> >> Nick
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