[s-cars] HID lights group buy- $185/set delivered

[Tom Green]

Lee's comment about Bruce's scientific approach caught my eye.  There  
is not much true science that finds it's way to this list.  That  
missive was a measure
  of my superior intellect, not time spent on someone's email.   I  
was trying to convey that my dollars have been spent with Andy Chui  
and appear well spent so far.
The other option  of e-code HID's for the S6 have not proven worth  
the expense IMO.
  With my untrained eyes, this conversion in projector low beams is  
indistinguishable in performance from the factory HID on the A4 that  
shares the garage.
This is for a kit that was 1/3 the cost of comparable kits ( ie, the  
$550 H1 kit in the sedan).  I was a little skeptical at first, but he  
shipped my kit overnight fedex,
  so it quickly faded.   I see he is saving a little money by using 3  
day shipping now.
I agree with your arguments that many of the conversions should not  
be on the road, but some of this is installer error, lots shoddy  
equipment and bad design.
The biggest hurdle for the S4/S6 is cleaning up the headlamps before  
either HID or HIR upgrade ( or putting them in new headlamps).
One approach is not the cure-all for everyone.  Declining night  
vision prompted my conversion.  Youthful fighter pilots with steely  
nerves may want to turn the lights off
altogether on the trip from Pancho's.   YMMV

Tom
P.S.  It was not my intent to reproach anyone for their views on this  
subject.  I was attempting to point out the lack of any scientific  
methodology in analyzing the HID
kit Lino proposed to buy.  I don't consider myself too sensitive to  
comments on this list.  That said, I do find words such as, "Do as  
you like." and "I do truely (sic) hope"
to be condescending beyond the norm.

On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:45 PM, R. Mair wrote:

> You spent a good deal of time analyzing this thread didn't you? The  
> best scientific methodology i'm looking for is for someone who has  
> actually used this very kit and said, " HEY! it works great, better  
> than expected" Hmmm... but then there is the 'wealth of dis- 
> information' sydrome so prevalent on the internet. "Anonymous  
> sources" on my end happen to be reputable sellers of quality  
> lighting, such as rallylights.com and daniel stern. Certainly they  
> could sell conversion kits and make a ton of $$$. But they are, as  
> i said, REPUTABLE. If the conversions were of at least equal  
> quality to stock, perhaps they would suggest or even stock such a  
> product. But they are typically not, so therefore lesser suppliers  
> will sell them all in the name of profit. Do as you like. Put them  
> on your car. I do truely hope they work well, as I'm always looking  
> for upgrades. But your dollars first.
>
> Rolf
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Green
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com ; lee at wheelman.com ; Bruce Mendel ;  
> waves at epix.net ; l.valadas at rogers.com
> Cc: pkrasusky at ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:27 PM
> Subject: RE:[s-cars] HID lights group buy- $185/set delivered
>
> If we are being graded on the scientific method, I'm afraid we all
> flunk.
>
> Lino because he can't make a decision, wants to quote anonymous
> sources about poor quality.  Will he like the advice of his trusted
> sources
> here?
>
> Rolf because he is conservative in his approach to everything (A
> necessary
> trait in his business) and uses the generalities of Daniel Stern
> about HID versus
> the product he sells.
>
> Lee because he uses the specific negative argument against HID fog
> lights because
> of excessive bloom, when nobody is converting fog lights.   And, he
> thinks his babies
> will love him more if he lavishes big bucks on e-codes for them.
>
> Bruce because he emphasizes the precise nature of the low beam
> projector conversion
> and the exacting beam pattern produced, but falters with the million
> comparison when
> of course it is gad-zillions times better.
>
> Me because I just say they are cheap, this deal is little more than
> the HIR, and they work great !
>
> PK because, well, just because he didn't show up.
>
> Tom :-)
>
>
> > Bruce writes:
> >
> >>
> >> With these super cheap HID's, they do in fact stay very close
> >> to OEM beam pattern. They also throw about a million more
> >> times light on the road (by my scientific calculations).
>
> > Lee counters:
>
> > Read Stern's treatise against HID fog lamps. Then you'll know why
> > more light
> > isn't necessarily better.
>
> > Rolf chimes in again:
>
> > 10-4 on that. I rem. reading that a little while ago, when this
> > thread first
> > started. Good info
>