[s-cars] HID lights group buy- $185/set delivered

[Bruce Mendel]

You guys can argue the intricacies...I'll be hitting the twisties at night
with my HIDs. :)

Seriously, being a big lighting upgrade fan (HID low-beam assist
auxiliaries, PIAA Pro 80XT 120W pencils, Hella dual 55W H3 work lights for
backup, etc), I just go with what looks good on the road, and these meet
that goal. For $185 and a 15 minute DIY install, just chuck 'em on ebay if
you don't like 'em!

But my unscientific opinion is that they are superior to E-codes with either
halogen or 9011/9012's.

Bruce



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Green" <trgreen at comcast.net>
To: "R. Mair" <waves at comcast.net>
Cc: <pkrasusky at ups.com>; "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at Comcast.net>;
<s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] HID lights group buy- $185/set delivered


> Lee's comment about Bruce's scientific approach caught my eye.  There
> is not much true science that finds it's way to this list.  That
> missive was a measure
>   of my superior intellect, not time spent on someone's email.   I
> was trying to convey that my dollars have been spent with Andy Chui
> and appear well spent so far.
> The other option  of e-code HID's for the S6 have not proven worth
> the expense IMO.
>   With my untrained eyes, this conversion in projector low beams is
> indistinguishable in performance from the factory HID on the A4 that
> shares the garage.
> This is for a kit that was 1/3 the cost of comparable kits ( ie, the
> $550 H1 kit in the sedan).  I was a little skeptical at first, but he
> shipped my kit overnight fedex,
>   so it quickly faded.   I see he is saving a little money by using 3
> day shipping now.
> I agree with your arguments that many of the conversions should not
> be on the road, but some of this is installer error, lots shoddy
> equipment and bad design.
> The biggest hurdle for the S4/S6 is cleaning up the headlamps before
> either HID or HIR upgrade ( or putting them in new headlamps).
> One approach is not the cure-all for everyone.  Declining night
> vision prompted my conversion.  Youthful fighter pilots with steely
> nerves may want to turn the lights off
> altogether on the trip from Pancho's.   YMMV
>
> Tom
> P.S.  It was not my intent to reproach anyone for their views on this
> subject.  I was attempting to point out the lack of any scientific
> methodology in analyzing the HID
> kit Lino proposed to buy.  I don't consider myself too sensitive to
> comments on this list.  That said, I do find words such as, "Do as
> you like." and "I do truely (sic) hope"
> to be condescending beyond the norm.
>
> On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:45 PM, R. Mair wrote:
>
> > You spent a good deal of time analyzing this thread didn't you? The
> > best scientific methodology i'm looking for is for someone who has
> > actually used this very kit and said, " HEY! it works great, better
> > than expected" Hmmm... but then there is the 'wealth of dis-
> > information' sydrome so prevalent on the internet. "Anonymous
> > sources" on my end happen to be reputable sellers of quality
> > lighting, such as rallylights.com and daniel stern. Certainly they
> > could sell conversion kits and make a ton of $$$. But they are, as
> > i said, REPUTABLE. If the conversions were of at least equal
> > quality to stock, perhaps they would suggest or even stock such a
> > product. But they are typically not, so therefore lesser suppliers
> > will sell them all in the name of profit. Do as you like. Put them
> > on your car. I do truely hope they work well, as I'm always looking
> > for upgrades. But your dollars first.
> >
> > Rolf
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Green
> > To: s-car-list at audifans.com ; lee at wheelman.com ; Bruce Mendel ;
> > waves at epix.net ; l.valadas at rogers.com
> > Cc: pkrasusky at ups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:27 PM
> > Subject: RE:[s-cars] HID lights group buy- $185/set delivered
> >
> > If we are being graded on the scientific method, I'm afraid we all
> > flunk.
> >
> > Lino because he can't make a decision, wants to quote anonymous
> > sources about poor quality.  Will he like the advice of his trusted
> > sources
> > here?
> >
> > Rolf because he is conservative in his approach to everything (A
> > necessary
> > trait in his business) and uses the generalities of Daniel Stern
> > about HID versus
> > the product he sells.
> >
> > Lee because he uses the specific negative argument against HID fog
> > lights because
> > of excessive bloom, when nobody is converting fog lights.   And, he
> > thinks his babies
> > will love him more if he lavishes big bucks on e-codes for them.
> >
> > Bruce because he emphasizes the precise nature of the low beam
> > projector conversion
> > and the exacting beam pattern produced, but falters with the million
> > comparison when
> > of course it is gad-zillions times better.
> >
> > Me because I just say they are cheap, this deal is little more than
> > the HIR, and they work great !
> >
> > PK because, well, just because he didn't show up.
> >
> > Tom :-)
> >
> >
> > > Bruce writes:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> With these super cheap HID's, they do in fact stay very close
> > >> to OEM beam pattern. They also throw about a million more
> > >> times light on the road (by my scientific calculations).
> >
> > > Lee counters:
> >
> > > Read Stern's treatise against HID fog lamps. Then you'll know why
> > > more light
> > > isn't necessarily better.
> >
> > > Rolf chimes in again:
> >
> > > 10-4 on that. I rem. reading that a little while ago, when this
> > > thread first
> > > started. Good info
> >
>
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