[s-cars] HID lights group buy - $185/set delivered

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Can someone email the link again for the group buy, I cant seem to find it
Thanks
Tim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Day" <kday at ultrameta.org>
To: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] HID lights group buy - $185/set delivered


>I agree 100%.  I was half expecting the HID retrofit to result in worse
> light than before, but after using them for a month or so now I don't
> see any serious issues.  Daniel Stern's points make sense, but I think
> they apply more to common headlights, and less to fancy projector
> lights like we have.
>
> The only complaint about the light output I have is that the near-field
> lighting seems a bit too bright, as if I had my fog lights on all of the
> time.  This may be due to a bad aiming job on my part though, which
> I plan to revisit.  Regardless, it is still a distinct improvement.
>
> Incidentally, my driving is almost exclusively in urbanized areas, and the
> HIDs were definitely worthwhile.  My 9011 high beams are great but
> I hardly ever get to use them, whereas the HIDs improve my commute every
> night.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 04:06:30PM -0500, Bruce Mendel wrote:
>> Yeah, he's the master of lighting, and I buy tons of things from him. 
>> He's a
>> great guy, a real lighting zealot. But sometimes zealots are blind (no 
>> pun
>> intended) to reality, and rely too much on theory.
>>
>> Scientifically, he's correct. But I've done a ton of  A/B comparisons 
>> with
>> one HID installed, and one halogen, and I am on a dark road at a stop.
>> Second car is there to drive towards my car looking for glare.
>>
>> Towel over one light, then the other. Drive short distance with one light
>> connected, then the other. Walk 100 yards from the car and look back at
>> driver's height for glare. Have other car come towards my car looking for
>> glare. Etc. etc.
>>
>> The HID's are so clearly superior in amount of light, with all else like
>> dispersion, glare, and beam pattern being essentially the same that I 
>> throw
>> science out the window and go with more usable light on the road.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Lee Levitt" <lee at wheelman.com>
>> To: "'Bruce M.'" <brucem105 at Comcast.net>; "'RM'" <waves at epix.net>;
>> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:54 PM
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] HID lights group buy - $185/set delivered
>>
>>
>> > Bruce writes:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > With these super cheap HID's, they do in fact stay very close
>> > > to OEM beam pattern. They also throw about a million more
>> > > times light on the road (by my scientific calculations).
>> >
>> > Read Stern's treatise against HID fog lamps. Then you'll know why more
>> light
>> > isn't necessarily better.
>> >
>> > Lee
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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