[s-cars] Re: S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 16, Issue 65
Robert Myers
robert at s-cars.org
Sat Feb 19 07:16:30 EST 2005
So how about replacing the intercooler with a FMIC? That would solve the
air flow problem for the left side. Not sure right off where the oil
cooler could be relocated or ducting installed to take care of the right
side, though.
At 03:31 AM 2/19/2005, johnny sack wrote:
>ok here is another question related to fogs and lighting....
>
>On the a6's and 100's there are fog lamps at the bottom of the bumper
>on the left and rear sides.
>
>I have been told that the reason they didn't put those lights on the s
>was because it stopped air flow to the intercooler.
>
>I really like the look of an s with low fogs or driving lights
>(doesn't matter to me honestly)
>i find the car looks way more aggressive and the stance seems lower and wider.
>
>I bought a pair of fogs from a scrap yard a couple of years ago.
>i didn't put them in because of air flow reasons...
>
>I initially wanted to use the shape and enclosure of the fog and build
>a custom light perched inside of it.....that way i could retain a
>projector look like the other lights in the headlamp.
>
>Now i assume many of you are all about functionality.
>while i def am with you i also value the look and style of an
>automobile as well.
>i love custom work.
>
>I built a custom set of lights for my old discovery as well as my old
>gti vr6 conversion years ago.
>
>if the group tells me that it would be ok to put fogs down low, i
>would seriously consider finishing my project and building my custom
>projectors. i actually have a dismantled set of piaa 959 which i could
>build in no problem. the piaa's are driving lights.
>
>Thoughts suggestions....
>
>
>i really want some fogs down low, i absolutely love the look.
>
>i was even thinking about building inserts that funnel air around a
>projector in the middle, like a new s6 has.
>
>
>
>
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> > 1. 80% sunroof reversal (Varon H. Fugman)
> > 2. Re: 80% sunroof reversal (Mark Strangways)
> > 3. Re: fog lamps w/o low beams (Kevin Day)
> > 4. RE: fog lamps w/o low beams (Sean Douglas)
> > 5. Re: fog lamps w/o low beams (Eyvind Spangen)
> > 6. Re: fog lamps w/o low beams (Igor Kessel)
> > 7. Re: fog lamps w/o low beams (Taka Mizutani)
> > 8. Re: fog lamps w/o low beams (Bruce Mendel)
> > 9. RE: fog lamps w/o low beams (Lee Levitt)
> > 10. RE: big rear brakes (Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK))
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:02:33 -0600
> > From: "Varon H. Fugman" <vfugman at globaldialog.com>
> > Subject: [s-cars] 80% sunroof reversal
> > To: "Scar" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Message-ID: <MABBIPKNOPMNPIHKLDPIGENOEAAA.vfugman at globaldialog.com>
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> >
> > With spring on it's way, I'm going to have to start thinking about the 80%
> > sunroof reversal problem when closing again!
> >
> > It does not seem to be a dirty potentiometer problem--had that problem (the
> > random opening sunroof) and fixed it.
> >
> > Seens like it senses the extra load when it "grabs" the sunshade while
> > closing and "thinks" something has jammed it (or someone has stuck their
> > fingers in there!) and it reverses and opens again.
> >
> > The 80% reversal only happens when the sunshade is fully retracted (by
> > opening the roof all the way), and only happens when closing the roof with
> > the control.
> >
> > When closing the roof with the key in the door lock, the 80% reversal never
> > happens, leading me to believe the "finger sensor" circuit is overridden by
> > the "close all windows" signal. Besides, if you are turning the key in the
> > door lock, you certainly don't have your hand stuck through the roof
> > opening, right? :-)
> >
> > Is there a sensitivity adjustment for the auto-reverse mechanism? My
> garage
> > door opener has such an adjustment!
> >
> > If my roof is requiring more force than normal to close, there may be no
> > margin left for the additional load of the interior sunshade. Is there a
> > maintenance procuedure for cleaning/lubricating the sunroom mechanism in
> > general?
> >
> > Varon
> > 95 S6
> > --
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:19:16 -0500
> > From: "Mark Strangways" <strangconst at rogers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] 80% sunroof reversal
> > To: "Scar" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Message-ID: <016a01c513d6$4c9501d0$6400000a at Strangwaysgroup.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > With all this talk of sunroofs...
> >
> > Someone once mentioned that they where gonna send me some old / broken
> > sunroof arms that I could have my friend and his CNC machine make for us.
> >
> > Let me know if you know / or are who was gonna send them up to me.
> >
> > Mark
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Varon H. Fugman" <vfugman at globaldialog.com>
> > To: "Scar" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:02 PM
> > Subject: [s-cars] 80% sunroof reversal
> >
> > > With spring on it's way, I'm going to have to start thinking about
> the 80%
> > > sunroof reversal problem when closing again!
> > >
> > > It does not seem to be a dirty potentiometer problem--had that problem
> > > (the
> > > random opening sunroof) and fixed it.
> > >
> > > Seens like it senses the extra load when it "grabs" the sunshade while
> > > closing and "thinks" something has jammed it (or someone has stuck their
> > > fingers in there!) and it reverses and opens again.
> > >
> > > The 80% reversal only happens when the sunshade is fully retracted (by
> > > opening the roof all the way), and only happens when closing the roof
> with
> > > the control.
> > >
> > > When closing the roof with the key in the door lock, the 80% reversal
> > > never
> > > happens, leading me to believe the "finger sensor" circuit is overridden
> > > by
> > > the "close all windows" signal. Besides, if you are turning the key in
> > > the
> > > door lock, you certainly don't have your hand stuck through the roof
> > > opening, right? :-)
> > >
> > > Is there a sensitivity adjustment for the auto-reverse mechanism? My
> > > garage
> > > door opener has such an adjustment!
> > >
> > > If my roof is requiring more force than normal to close, there may be no
> > > margin left for the additional load of the interior sunshade. Is there a
> > > maintenance procuedure for cleaning/lubricating the sunroom mechanism in
> > > general?
> > >
> > > Varon
> > > 95 S6
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:56:50 -0500
> > From: Kevin Day <kday at ultrameta.org>
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Message-ID: <20050216035650.GA27747 at ultrameta.org>
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> >
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:59:57PM -0500, LL - NY wrote:
> > > Still, I'm hoping to figure out
> > > the fog trigger pin on the relay and wire it to ignition switched
> > > +12V. The Bentley CD hasn't helped me here, as it seems to
> > > just send all of the non-grounded pins to the "Headlight Controller"
> > > blackbox. Great. Whatever happened to good old fashion relay logic?
> >
> > Relay logic is alive and well in your Audi.
> >
> > To get the fogs to work without the low beams being on, all
> > I did was bypass the fog light relay which is engaged when the low beams
> > (but not the high beams) are on.
> >
> > Here are two pictures of my workaround:
> > http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/66084/fog1.jpg
> > http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/66084/fog3.jpg
> >
> > It is also relatively easy to make the rear fog work independently of
> > the front fog. In that case it was a matter of putting a thin piece of
> > insulating plastic between two contacts inside the rear fog switch. I
> > can dig up the relevant info on the rear fog if anyone is interested.
> >
> > -Kevin
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:06:19 -0800
> > From: "Sean Douglas" <quattro20v at telus.net>
> > Subject: RE: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: "'Kevin Day'" <kday at ultrameta.org>, "'LL - NY'"
> > <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Message-ID: <000201c513e5$40394220$ce9506cf at wsrmd051>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Kevin:
> >
> > You beat me to it!
> >
> > I checked Bentley and it's the fog light relay J5 located in the Aux
> > relay panel under the hood in position #4. As your picture shows, all
> > that is needed is a short jumper with a male spade connector on each end
> > and jump the terminals between #30 and #87. This completes the circuit
> > to allow the fog lights to be on without the headlights on.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> > > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Day
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:57 PM
> > > To: LL - NY
> > > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:59:57PM -0500, LL - NY wrote:
> > > > Still, I'm hoping to figure out
> > > > the fog trigger pin on the relay and wire it to ignition switched
> > > > +12V. The Bentley CD hasn't helped me here, as it seems to
> > > > just send all of the non-grounded pins to the "Headlight Controller"
> > > > blackbox. Great. Whatever happened to good old fashion relay logic?
> > >
> > > Relay logic is alive and well in your Audi.
> > >
> > > To get the fogs to work without the low beams being on, all
> > > I did was bypass the fog light relay which is engaged when
> > > the low beams (but not the high beams) are on.
> > >
> > > Here are two pictures of my workaround:
> > > http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/66084/fog1.> jpg
> > >
> > http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/66084/fog3.jpg
> >
> > It is
> > also relatively easy to make the rear fog work independently of the
> > front fog. In that case it was a matter of putting a thin piece of
> > insulating plastic between two contacts inside the rear fog switch. I
> > can dig up the relevant info on the rear fog if anyone is interested.
> >
> > -Kevin
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:52:08 +0100
> > From: "Eyvind Spangen" <200q20v at bluezone.no>
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: "Varon H. Fugman" <vfugman at globaldialog.com>,
> > <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Message-ID: <004c01c51426$53c57750$0201a8c0 at Compaq>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > >>> BTW, the performance of these fogs in true glare situations would be
> > >>> greatly improved if they could be switched on without the US required
> > >>> low beams also being on.
> >
> > I live in Europe. In most countries here, fog lights together with low
> beams
> > is not allowed and you'll get a fine anywhere from $50 to $300 for driving
> > with both switched on at the same time. You have to use either fog
> lights OR
> > low beams. Driving with both on at the same time just floods the area right
> > in front of the car with light, and then you're unable to see anything
> > further in front of the car. You just can't do much about obstructions 10
> > metres in front of your car while driving at highway speed.. :)
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > E. Spangen
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:53:02 -0500
> > From: Igor Kessel <KBATPO at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Message-ID: <42135E4E.2000602 at comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed
> >
> > Eyvind Spangen wrote:
> > >>>> BTW, the performance of these fogs in true glare situations would be
> > >>>> greatly improved if they could be switched on without the US required
> > >>>> low beams also being on.
> > >
> > >
> > > I live in Europe. In most countries here, fog lights together with low
> > > beams is not allowed and you'll get a fine anywhere from $50 to $300 for
> > > driving with both switched on at the same time. You have to use either
> > > fog lights OR low beams. Driving with both on at the same time just
> > > floods the area right in front of the car with light, and then you're
> > > unable to see anything further in front of the car. You just can't do
> > > much about obstructions 10 metres in front of your car while driving at
> > > highway speed.. :)
> > >
> >
> > Eyvind,
> > I am under the impression that in Europe no High beams were allowed with
> > the Fogs, whereas the Low beams were to be turned on with the Fogs
> > mandatory. At least 15 years ago.
> >
> > OTOH the solitary fog lights make much more sence. Being geometrically
> > the lowest set of lights on the vehicle they put the light under the
> > fog. The fog usually sits at 20 to 30 cm above the ground.
> >
> > --
> > Igor Kessel
> > two turbo quattros
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:29:40 -0500
> > From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: Igor Kessel <KBATPO at comcast.net>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Message-ID: <79698a91050216092998b1015 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > Japanese vehicle code is very similar to German code in most respects
> > and I know that Japanese code does not allow fogs without lows- that's
> > an illegal lamp configuration.
> >
> > I'm surprised that any country would allow fogs w/o lows- ever see the
> > idiots driving around in their BMWs with just fogs and no lows? I've
> > seen this even on a dark night at highway speeds- I have no idea how
> > they see.
> >
> > Taka
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:33:39 -0500
> > From: "Bruce Mendel" <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>, "Igor Kessel"
> > <KBATPO at comcast.net>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Message-ID: <015001c5144d$a7fde9c0$2d02640a at palm1.palmone.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Silly Taka....it's not about SEEING, it's about BEING SEEN. :)
> >
> > B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> > To: "Igor Kessel" <KBATPO at comcast.net>
> > Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> >
> > > Japanese vehicle code is very similar to German code in most respects
> > > and I know that Japanese code does not allow fogs without lows- that's
> > > an illegal lamp configuration.
> > >
> > > I'm surprised that any country would allow fogs w/o lows- ever see the
> > > idiots driving around in their BMWs with just fogs and no lows? I've
> > > seen this even on a dark night at highway speeds- I have no idea how
> > > they see.
> > >
> > > Taka
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> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:47:27 -0500
> > From: "Lee Levitt" <lee at wheelman.com>
> > Subject: RE: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> > To: "'Taka Mizutani'" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>, "'Igor Kessel'"
> > <KBATPO at comcast.net>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Message-ID: <3rq2j4$4vlpa at smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Taka writes:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm surprised that any country would allow fogs w/o lows- ever see the
> > > idiots driving around in their BMWs with just fogs and no lows?
> >
> > Um, er uh.
> >
> > That would be me (in an Audi).
> >
> > Poor man's DRLs.
> >
> > Two tapafuse thingies and 10 minutes of work and I've got running lights.
> > Better than turning my xenon's on and off constantly...short term use wears
> > the bulbs.
> >
> > Can't figure another easy way to add DRLs...only other option I know is to
> > enable the high beams as DRLs with an add-on kit, and that seems
> > complicated...
> >
> > At least on my '96 A6, the fogs are in the same housing as the headlamps,
> > and it looks acceptable...
> >
> > Lee
> > '02 A6 3.0 quattro avant
> > '96 A6 quattro avant
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:16:22 -0500
> > From: "Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)" <WQQ2PXK at ups.com>
> > Subject: [s-cars] RE: big rear brakes
> > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>, "Bill Mahoney" <wmahoney at disk.com>
> > Message-ID:
> > <5C1296A3D8CC9C4EB1EB9DDC08D746F609DFBCE3 at njrarsvr039a.us.ups.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Bill Balonied:
> >
> > <<<If Charlie can engineer a Bilstein tool out of bird feathers via a 42
> > step process, there's gotta be an easy way to better back brakes.>>>
> >
> > You want bigger brakes Bill? I've got your solution, you need to use
> > this approach in back... might cost a few $$$ but performance is
> > *assured*:
> >
> > http://www.krasusky.photos.us.com/c329220.html
> >
> > Make us proud Bill, have ready for //SFest '05 (whoops was that out
> > loud?)...
> >
> > -Paul looking out for Baloney K.
> >
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