[s-cars] Re: S-CAR-List Digest, Vol 16, Issue 67
johnny sack
toight at gmail.com
Sat Feb 19 03:53:11 EST 2005
i was just going through all the info on shocks and springs.
i put bilstien's and eibach springs myself,
and while i find the car handles amazing, i am not happy with the height.
does anyone know what kit lowers the car the most?
and is there anyone providing a high quality adjustable coil over kit?
i once spoke to the suspension team that builds penske's race suspension,
they use bits and pieces from diff bilstein applications. The guy had
sent me pictures of an adjustable suspension he could build for me.
I will try to dig them up somewhere and post them.
I just wished my car was lower.
i remember eibach having a 2.5 inch lowering kit as opposed to the 1
and 3 quarter one available today.
I would love the ability to adjust them myself.
Let me state that i dont care about ride quality, this is all being
done on my 92 s4, and i only drive it very rarely when i want that
sport touring feel, so a hard ride oddly enough would almost be
preferred.
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> 3. Re: reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control (Mark Strangways)
> 4. RE: Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL)
> (Tony Curran)
> 5. RE: Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL) (Lee Levitt)
> 6. Re: fog lamps w/o low beams (Jerry Scott)
> 7. Re: reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control (Adam Cramer)
> 8. Re: reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control (Kent McLean)
> 9. Re: Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL) (Dave Ellis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:56:14 -0700
> From: "Bob DG" <bobs6 at msn.com>
> Subject: [s-cars] reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
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> So I'm about to plunk down some $$ for a VAG-COM, but do I really need it?
> Word is you can read the codes through the climate control...
>
> Thoughts???
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:26:58 +0000
> From: "Chris Ludlow" <pacludlow at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] NAC - Watch out Stromung!
> To: edward.walsh at agedwards.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
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> LOL... if you watch the video, when the guy takes off for the camera to
> show off his "wooooo wooooo" not only does he drive on the wrong side of
> the road almost hitting someone, but he goes right through a stop sign. All
> of it caught on camera and broadcasted on the news. Plain as day. LOL...
>
> I wonder if he'll be getting a ticket?
>
> >From: "Walsh, Edward" <edward.walsh at agedwards.com>
> >To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> >Subject: [s-cars] NAC - Watch out Stromung!
> >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:53:50 -0600
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> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:52:39 -0500
> From: "Mark Strangways" <strangconst at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control
> To: "Bob DG" <bobs6 at msn.com>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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> Don't think you can Bob.
> There are some useful features of the VAG-COM.
> It will give you real time feedback of the engine operating parameters.
>
> I did talk to the makers of the VAG-COM.
> NO group buys... very sad indeed.
>
> They have had some major support issues with the last GP they got involved
> in, so we are out of luck.
>
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob DG" <bobs6 at msn.com>
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:56 PM
> Subject: [s-cars] reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control
>
> > So I'm about to plunk down some $$ for a VAG-COM, but do I really need it?
> > Word is you can read the codes through the climate control...
> >
> > Thoughts???
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:56:42 -0800
> From: "Tony Curran" <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL)
> To: "Dave Ellis" <UrS4 at sympatico.ca>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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> Dave,
>
> What you could do is isolate your fogs from lo-beam as per perscribed method
> then make your fogs the DRL by having them on all the time. Then
> disassociate your lo-beams from the DRL so they can be turned on/off by
> stalk.
>
> As for Canadian law, there may be a grey zone. The Transport Canada
> requirements for things such as DRLs are described in documents that apply
> to new cars only. I'll have to find the links I used to have - suffered a HD
> crash a few weeks ago.
>
> Made choices for your suspension yet?
>
> Tony
> 96 S6
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Dave Ellis
> Sent: February 16, 2005 1:50 PM
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL)
>
> So reading the "fog lamps w/o low beams" thread got me thinking.
>
> I'm about to begin wiring in relays for the low and high beams and
> install the HIR lamps from Daniel Stern. Rather than having the DRL
> feature triggering the low beams to come on whenever the car is running
> (and thereby "using up" the somewhat pricey HIR bulbs needlessly), I
> was hoping to figure out an alternative solution.
>
> So does anyone have a diagram or info that shows the operation of the
> DRL feature in Canadian S-cars? Is there an easy way to disable the
> DRL feature and/or re-wire it to trigger the fog lamps instead?
>
> It would be preferably to have the low beams opoerated in DRL mode at
> the reduced wattage the DRL feature now send to the low beams, or to
> find a way to safely send the reduced DRL voltage to the HIR low beams
> bypassing the relays when in "DRL mode".
>
> Since the stock DRL feature will just trigger the soon-to-be-installed
> low beam relay, the DRL will no longer function at a reduced wattage
> and will force the low beams to be on a "full power" all the time. I'm
> guessing the original idea of sending a lower voltage to the low beams
> in DRL mode was to extend lamp life and to reduce electrical load
> somewhat. Since I have to keep the DRL feature by law where I am, I'm
> looking for a reasonable alternative to running the new HIR bulbs when
> ever I'm driving weather they're needed or not.
>
> Right now in my Canadian model '93 S4, the exterior lamp control stalk
> off the steering column has three positions:
> -bottom position: no exterior lights except DRL which
> is the low beams run at a reduced wattage.
> -middle position: parking/corner lamps and DRL on.
> -top position: parking/corner lamps and low beams on
> at full wattage.
>
> I'd like to keep this or similar operation if I can since it's unlikely
> my wife would ever remember to actually hit a seperate switch to turn
> on the DRL.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
> '93 S4
> '99.5 A4 1.8t
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:06:33 -0500
> From: "Lee Levitt" <lee at wheelman.com>
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL)
> To: "'Dave Ellis'" <UrS4 at sympatico.ca>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <3rq2j4$545tg at smtp05.mrf.mail.rcn.net>
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>
> Dave,
>
> I thought there was a DRL relay that you can pull. Then all you have to do
> is to run switched power to the fog light switch or do the relay jumper
> (both recently discussed).
>
> BTW, what's the HIR bulb? I didn't see it listed on Daniel's site.
>
> Lee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:s-car-list-
> > bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Dave Ellis
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:50 PM
> > To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Subject: [s-cars] Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL)
> >
> >
> > So reading the "fog lamps w/o low beams" thread got me thinking.
> >
> > I'm about to begin wiring in relays for the low and high beams and
> > install the HIR lamps from Daniel Stern. Rather than having the DRL
> > feature triggering the low beams to come on whenever the car is running
> > (and thereby "using up" the somewhat pricey HIR bulbs needlessly), I
> > was hoping to figure out an alternative solution.
> >
> > So does anyone have a diagram or info that shows the operation of the
> > DRL feature in Canadian S-cars? Is there an easy way to disable the
> > DRL feature and/or re-wire it to trigger the fog lamps instead?
> >
> > It would be preferably to have the low beams opoerated in DRL mode at
> > the reduced wattage the DRL feature now send to the low beams, or to
> > find a way to safely send the reduced DRL voltage to the HIR low beams
> > bypassing the relays when in "DRL mode".
> >
> > Since the stock DRL feature will just trigger the soon-to-be-installed
> > low beam relay, the DRL will no longer function at a reduced wattage
> > and will force the low beams to be on a "full power" all the time. I'm
> > guessing the original idea of sending a lower voltage to the low beams
> > in DRL mode was to extend lamp life and to reduce electrical load
> > somewhat. Since I have to keep the DRL feature by law where I am, I'm
> > looking for a reasonable alternative to running the new HIR bulbs when
> > ever I'm driving weather they're needed or not.
> >
> > Right now in my Canadian model '93 S4, the exterior lamp control stalk
> > off the steering column has three positions:
> > -bottom position: no exterior lights except DRL which
> > is the low beams run at a reduced wattage.
> > -middle position: parking/corner lamps and DRL on.
> > -top position: parking/corner lamps and low beams on
> > at full wattage.
> >
> > I'd like to keep this or similar operation if I can since it's unlikely
> > my wife would ever remember to actually hit a seperate switch to turn
> > on the DRL.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Dave
> > '93 S4
> > '99.5 A4 1.8t
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:21:49 -0700
> From: Jerry Scott <jerryscott at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
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>
> Does this allow the fog lights to still turn off with the ignition key
> or do you manually have to turn off the fogs each time to avoid battery
> discharge?
> Jerry
>
> Sean Douglas wrote:
>
> >Kevin:
> >
> >You beat me to it!
> >
> >I checked Bentley and it's the fog light relay J5 located in the Aux
> >relay panel under the hood in position #4. As your picture shows, all
> >that is needed is a short jumper with a male spade connector on each end
> >and jump the terminals between #30 and #87. This completes the circuit
> >to allow the fog lights to be on without the headlights on.
> >
> >Sean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> >>[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Day
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:57 PM
> >>To: LL - NY
> >>Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> >>Subject: Re: [s-cars] fog lamps w/o low beams
> >>
> >>
> >>On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:59:57PM -0500, LL - NY wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Still, I'm hoping to figure out
> >>>the fog trigger pin on the relay and wire it to ignition switched
> >>>+12V. The Bentley CD hasn't helped me here, as it seems to
> >>>just send all of the non-grounded pins to the "Headlight Controller"
> >>>blackbox. Great. Whatever happened to good old fashion relay logic?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Relay logic is alive and well in your Audi.
> >>
> >>To get the fogs to work without the low beams being on, all
> >>I did was bypass the fog light relay which is engaged when
> >>the low beams (but not the high beams) are on.
> >>
> >>Here are two pictures of my workaround:
> >>http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/66084/fog1.> jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/66084/fog3.jpg
> >
> >It is
> >also relatively easy to make the rear fog work independently of the
> >front fog. In that case it was a matter of putting a thin piece of
> >insulating plastic between two contacts inside the rear fog switch. I
> >can dig up the relevant info on the rear fog if anyone is interested.
> >
> >-Kevin
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:31:39 -0800
> From: Adam Cramer <crameradam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control
> To: Mark Strangways <strangconst at rogers.com>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <c86fdf880502161731747c38f4 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Bob,
> I'm in the same boat. I just had my CEL come on which prompted me to
> do a little research on the VAG-COM. Seems like a good deal, but I'm
> still on the fence.
>
> You can check your CEL codes by using the 'blink' method.
>
> http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/ecuf20v.html#fcs4
>
> It's very straightforward.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Adam
> 95 S6 Avant
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:52:39 -0500, Mark Strangways
> <strangconst at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Don't think you can Bob.
> > There are some useful features of the VAG-COM.
> > It will give you real time feedback of the engine operating parameters.
> >
> > I did talk to the makers of the VAG-COM.
> > NO group buys... very sad indeed.
> >
> > They have had some major support issues with the last GP they got involved
> > in, so we are out of luck.
> >
> > Mark
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob DG" <bobs6 at msn.com>
> > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:56 PM
> > Subject: [s-cars] reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control
> >
> > > So I'm about to plunk down some $$ for a VAG-COM, but do I really need it?
> > > Word is you can read the codes through the climate control...
> > >
> > > Thoughts???
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:06:34 -0500
> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at mindspring.com>
> Subject: [s-cars] Re: reading codes- VAG-COM vs climate control
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
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>
> Adam Cramer wrote:
> > You can check your CEL codes by using the 'blink' method.
> >
> > http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/trouble_shooting/ecuf20v.html#fcs4
>
> Yeah, but... the blink codes differ from the codes generated
> by the Vag-Com. For example, blink code 4332 (problem with
> ignition output) corresponds to DTCs 00609, 00610, and 00611,
> which pinpoint the problem to ignition outputs 1, 2, and 3,
> respectively (on the V6). So you do get something extra for
> your money.
>
> --
> Kent McLean
> '94 100 S Avant, "Moody"
> '89 200 TQ, "Bad Puppy" is no more
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:54:37 -0500
> From: Dave Ellis <UrS4 at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Daytime running light info needed (Canadian DRL)
> To: Tony Curran <tony.curran at sympatico.ca>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <4214076D.4000405 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Tony Curran wrote:
>
> >Dave,
> >
> >What you could do is isolate your fogs from lo-beam as per perscribed method
> >then make your fogs the DRL by having them on all the time.
> >
> Saw that one go by today in the fog lamp thread.
>
> >Then
> >disassociate your lo-beams from the DRL so they can be turned on/off by
> >stalk.
> >
> >
> >
> Any pointers to write-ups on that procedure? I too suffered an HD
> failure a couple of months back and lost all my carefully collected
> BTDTs, HOWTOs and associated links.
>
> >As for Canadian law, there may be a grey zone. The Transport Canada
> >requirements for things such as DRLs are described in documents that apply
> >to new cars only. I'll have to find the links I used to have - suffered a HD
> >crash a few weeks ago.
> >
> >Made choices for your suspension yet?
> >
> >
> >
> Yeah, I spoke with John at RJ Motors and he had a look at the car.
> Since I have to have much of the suspension bits replaced anyways
> (they're all original) and everything's already going to be apart, I'm
> going to get John to put in the Eibach springs I've had in my basement
> for the last two years. I'm still on the fence regarding which shocks
> to use though. John's recommending just using new OEM gas shocks for
> the S4 (not sure which brand - forgot to ask him), but everyone seems
> pretty happy with the Bilstein SPs. What shocks did you end up using?
>
> Either way, since I have the 1517.002 Eibach rear springs with the extra
> coils in the rear, I'll need to have an extra perch groove machined in
> the body of the shock one centimeter lower to get the rear ride hight
> correct. Otherwise the car sits with it's back end in the air (
> http://www.elektro.com/~audi/eibach/ ).
>
> >Tony
> >96 S6
> >
> >
> Dave
> '93 S4
>
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