[s-cars] Re: Mr. Hull bids adieu to the s//S2

Sat Jun 18 10:52:19 EDT 2005

Well I'm sure there's a Canadian somewhere that would be crazy enough
to buy it  :)

I'm surprised they didn't have airbags in the Canadian models...

On 6/18/05, Elijahallen92 at aol.com <Elijahallen92 at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> When I bought my es2 project coupe from a guy in Canada I found out the hard
> way on importing and this was just from Canada but since in 91 the Coupes
> here had airbags and over there they did not, the car did not comply and AOA
> would not give me a letter so I was stuck with a canada car that could not
> be driven on the street unless I added a full airbag system and had the car
> federalized. Needless to say, at this point the car has just been a project
> track car but if I decide to ever sell it I'm pretty much up sh*t creek
> unless I sell it back to a Canadian. 
>   
> Elijah 
>   
>   
> In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:04:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> t44tqtro at gmail.com writes: 
> Chris-
> You need an affidavit from Audi of America stating that the S2 that
> you're trying to import is basically the same as a Coupe Quattro and
> that it meets all DOT safety standards. I seriously doubt you or
> anyone else, for that matter, can get that from AoA.
> 
> Ferrari won't do it even for the 360 Modena, although they're doing
> "world cars" now- all cars conform to the DOT/TUV/etc. standards for
> all markets in which the cars are sold- much easier to produce cars
> that way.
> 
> You think it's easy to pass the EPA emissions test? Have you ever done
> this- it's much more involved than a state emissions test and they do
> a visual inspection as well- you must have appropriate emissions
> equipment installed, regardless of whether you believe or not that the
> car will pass without it.
> 
> If you haven't done this or at least known someone to do it, you
> really don't understand what you're getting into. Having talked to
> several people about the process, I would not even attempt to do this
> unless I was seriously wealthy and didn't care about the time and
> money involved in doing this. The Audi S2 is not a car that you'll
> have much success with. I'd rather import a BMW 850CSi, Alpina B10
> Biturbo, Porsche 993 3.8RS or something like that.
> 
> Taka
> 
> 
> On 6/17/05, Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Apparently what you need is the following:
> > 
> > An HS-7 Declaration form (available at ports of entry or online).
> > 
> > Cars less than 25 years old must comply with all applicable Federal
> > motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) to be imported on a permanent
> > basis.
> > (Vehicles manufactured to comply with the FMVSS will have a
> > certification label affixed by the original manufacturer in the area
> > of the driver-side door. )
> > 
> > A vehicle without a certification label cannot be imported as a
> > "conforming" vehicle.
> > In this case, the importer must contract with a Registered Importer (RI)
> to
> > 
> > ********  modify the vehicle and post a DOT Conformance Bond in an
> > amount equivalent to one and a half times the vehicle's dutiable
> > value. ********  (ouch!)
> > 
> > This bond is in addition to the normal Customs entry bond (which is
> > what... 3%?).  Copies of the DOT Conformance Bond and the contract
> > with an RI must be attached to the HS-7.
> > 
> > "If the petitioned vehicle is not similar to one sold in the U.S.,
> > this process can become very complex and costly."  Well, that S2 is
> > "similar"... Doesn't say IDENTICAL... so who cares about the core
> > support... lol.
> > 
> > 
> > So that's pretty much it (other than the EPA part, and really... how
> > hard is it for a car to pass emissions... my Coupe GT did it with no
> > cat  lol.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/17/05, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Chris-
> > > Have you tried to get Audi of America to send you an affidavit stating
> > > that the S2 is significantly similar to a US-spec car (forget the
> > > official name of the document)? Good luck.
> > >
> > > The rad support and some other parts are significantly different from
> the CQ.
> > >
> > > Cars older than 25 yrs. are now virtually unrestricted.
> > >
> > > Have you even ever talked to an RI about doing this? It's not as
> > > simple as you make it out to be.
> > >
> > > Taka
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/05, Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well like I said, that car is pretty much the exact same body that was
> > > > used on the U.S. Coupe Quattro, so as far as that part is concerned
> > > > (which is a big part), that shouldn't have stopped it from coming in
> > > > since they were approved for U.S. roads.
> > > >
> > > > The only other 3 things I can think of that can stop a car from being
> > > > imported are: #1 the manufacturer decided they don't want to
> > > > #2 something was on the car that didn't allow it to meet U.S.
> > > > emissions specs (and could be modded / detuned to allow it to pass
> > > > inspection...)
> > > > #3 there were some DOT safety issues... type of headlights, and all
> > > > the other minor stupid crap that has to be changed for the U.S. market
> > > > which again, could probably also be taken care of for way way less
> > > > than $30,000.
> > > >
> > > > I've seen TONS of cars here in the Chicago area that were never
> > > > imported in to the US for one reason for another, so it's not like
> > > > it's a wild idea...  I was behind a right hand drive E type today on
> > > > Lake Shore Drive in fact lol.
> > > >
> > > > Plus like I said, every once in a while one of the Quattro Sports in
> > > > this country go up for sale (usually around $90,000-$100,000) so that
> > > > would have been easier (and waaay more of an investment) than paying
> > > > someone to do all those mods he had done to make a "better than
> > > > average" S2.  Not to mention it'd smoke the S2  lol
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/17/05, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > If the car is not importable, then it really doesn't matter what the
> > > > > car costs outside of the US (for people in the US, that is).
> > > > >
> > > > > Taka
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/17/05, Chris Hall <badcomrade at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > So he stopped counting at $60,000 to make a "fake" S2.  If the
> -real-
> > > > > > S2's are going for $10,000 - $15,000 U.S.   What would it cost to
> > > > > > import it here and have it made DOT legal?  Certainly not
> $60,000....
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Chris Hall
> > > > badcomrade at gmail.com
> > > > "making girls cry since 1974"
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Chris Hall
> > badcomrade at gmail.com
> > "making girls cry since 1974"
> >
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