[s-cars] Kids and cars, vol II - which vehicle dynamics course?

[Serge Filanovsky]

Nice,
I cant wait for the first snowfall when the kids are old enough to drive,
we'll do a tour of every parking lot around, with a grand finally at the
notorious airstrip. Virgin snow on icy pavement is the most economical
driving school I can think of. 1985 Monte Carlo SS and 2 feet of virgin snow
and my freshly minted driver's license... ahh the memories...

As far as which car/truck is best, IMHO I think it matters more where you
live. If you need AWD in the winter, better get it for your kid. If you live
in California, get him/her a Ducati. Whatever it ends up being, teach them
to slide it around a bit.

Serge


> Agreed,
> I was lucky enough to have learned driving like rabid dog at 16 in my
> off-road set up "baja bug" chasing my friends on their dirt bikes.
> The car had steering brakes which made for some serious fun.  I did almost
> all of my crashing and rolling off road only.
> Loose traction situations is the way to learn control.
> Ah the memories...
> Aaron
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Joe Pizzimenti
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 5:48 AM
> To: Ian Duff
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Kids and cars, vol II - which vehicle dynamics course?
> 
> For spinning, car control and sliding, I don't think you could do any better
> than a winter driving school, whether it be at Steamboat Springs, Colorado,
> Team O'Neill in NH or any other low traction situation. You learn more in
> that environment about car control than on a high speed track if only due to
> the fact that you can experiment more with traction loss and experimentation
> at low speed with less risk than trying to trailing throttle oversteer and
> not hit a concrete barrier instead of a nice, soft, forgiving snowbank.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On 10/12/05, Ian Duff <iduff at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, am I glad I started this thread!
>> 
>> Here's a thought. The F-150 is for the first short while, when my daughter
>> is almost certain to be in some sort of fender-bender. My informal survey
>> of
>> new drivers assures me that almost every new driver has a bodywork
>> experience within the first few weeks of driving. The Jetta she will buy
>> to
>> replace the F-150 will do two things. First, it will put her into a much
>> safer vehicle, for both her and for those with whom she shares the road.
>> Second, it will get me a nice beater F-150 with which to visit Home Depot
>> and haul lobster pots. I'm tired of cleaning up after doing this in the S6
>> Avant.
>> 
>> Something else I'm trying to figure out is which vehicle dynamics course
>> to
>> take with her. She needs to learn how to control a car, and spinning and
>> sliding with expert instruction is the best way to learn this. So, whose
>> course? Skippy? Bondurant? Jim Russell? Some other ace (although isn't
>> "ace"
>> spelled with two esses?)?
>> 
>> So, to boil it down, the F-150 will stand her in good stead while she
>> learns
>> vehicle separation and anticipation. The vehicle dynamics course will
>> teach
>> her how to learn avoidance and active safety. The Jetta SHE WILL BUY WITH
>> HER OWN MONEY will allow her to practice these lessons, to her benefit, as
>> she moves fully into the automotive world.
>> 
>> I stand by my earlier F-150 choice. I have no budget for a Neue Beetle,
>> nor
>> for a disposable Ovlov 240, when I will inherit a slightly dinged F-150 in
>> fairly short order, from a thankful, considerate and still healthy
>> daughter.
>> 
>> -Ian Duff.
>> 
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