[s-cars] 2B Camber Plate Group Buy - Initial Interest Poll

Sun Sep 25 13:06:39 EDT 2005

Well... to get off the subject slightly.
Most American cars slot the top of the strut mount one way, and slot the 
bottom of frame plate the other way.     You can see the slot on the top, 
but the bottom ones are hidden (unless you look closely underneath. 
Loosening the bolts a little allows you to move the strut in a range of 
about 2 to 5 degrees of caster and +1.5 to - 1.5 of camber.    It just seems 
to me that Audi F-ed it up.    We are simply missing the lower slot that 
allows for caster adjustment.

A agree that the 2B plates are a good solution... but it's a lot to pay to 
fix a basic engineering mistake (made by a seemingly top notch car company). 
No caster adjustment.   ;-(    just no excuse for that.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jpb3" <jpburns3 at gmail.com>
To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2B Camber Plate Group Buy - Initial Interest Poll

> Don't the 2B plates give you additional features that simply drilling and
> slotting cannot provide? Camber and Caster adjustment have been discussed
> but what about ease of adjustment as well as variable adjustment for track
> days and such. I agree that they are fookin super expensive but they are 
> the
> best solution for our cars on the market at this time. That being said I 
> am
> sure that the profit margin on these is pretty sweet for the Bennett boys.
>  john
> On 9/25/05, Bill Clancy <clancybill at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Point taken. I'm sure the 2Bennet solution works as designed. I was just
>> surprised at the cost.
>>
>> My apologies to anyone on the list that might have been offended --
>> sometimes I get a little carried away.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joe Pizzimenti
>> To: Bill Clancy
>> Cc: Fred Munro ; Mark Pollan ; s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2B Camber Plate Group Buy - Initial Interest Poll
>>
>>
>> Far from it.
>>
>> 2Bennett actually has a business to run, imagine that! Employees and
>> suppliers to pay, not to mention R&D cost to get something that fits 
>> nicely,
>> bolts right in and gets you the adjustment you need to not chew up tires. 
>> I
>> will gladly pay for someone to go through the R&D so that I don't have to
>> cut and re-cut and try all over again just to get something that's hacked 
>> in
>> the corner of my garage rather than a nice billet piece that was CNC'd.
>>
>> If you can make it on your own, fine. Do it. Up to this moment, no one 
>> has
>> come up with a better alignment solution than the 2B boys and I don't 
>> think
>> you can do better than what they have by making something in your garage.
>>
>> Let that be your motivation to prove me wrong, but I wouldn't risk my ass
>> on the road at 100+mph with something I hacked together in my garage 
>> versus
>> someone's $600 engineered solution.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/05, Bill Clancy <clancybill at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> But they are toooo expensive. don't you think? They are metal plates
>> with holes drilled in them for 400+.
>>
>> I can make those in my garage ( in probably will) for free).
>>
>> Am I way off here?
>>
>> Maybe the group price brings it down but I think Mr. 2-Bennet is ripping
>> us
>> off -- and doing a good job of it.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>
>> To: "Bill Clancy" < clancybill at yahoo.com>; "Mark Pollan"
>> <mark.pollan at mci.com>; <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:10 AM
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] 2B Camber Plate Group Buy - Initial Interest Poll
>>
>>
>> > Actually, Bill, slotting the original plates only gives a limited 
>> > amount
>> > of
>> > movement. The OD of the bottom barrel of the top mount contacts the ID
>> of
>> > the hole in the strut tower and at that point further slotting gets you
>> > nowhere (BTDT).
>> >
>> > 2B has designed out this interference and their plates give a much
>> greater
>> > range of adjustment (ECS is similar I'm sure). The advantage of the 2B
>> > plate
>> > over ECS is that it also gives caster adjustment - that's why I chose
>> > them;
>> > I had a caster issue on the right side.
>> >
>> > Fred Munro
>> > '94 S4
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> > [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Clancy
>> > Sent: September 24, 2005 11:16 AM
>> > To: Mark Pollan; s-car-list at audifans.com
>> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2B Camber Plate Group Buy - Initial Interest Poll
>> >
>> >
>> > I am not sure I see the value in these 2B plates. They are too
>> > expensive.
>> > I mean...I they're nice to have...but aren't they a bit pricey?
>> > You could get the same result by taking your original ones, slotting
>> them
>> > for the caster adjustment and moving the mounting holes to give the
>> proper
>> > camber. It would take about an hour to do this.
>> >
>> > A while ago...someone sent a write up with a nice diagram on how to 
>> > make
>> > the
>> > camber change. I apologize... I forget who it was.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Mark Pollan" <mark.pollan at mci.com >
>> > To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 6:11 AM
>> > Subject: [s-cars] 2B Camber Plate Group Buy - Initial Interest Poll
>> >
>> >
>> >> OK well, I for one plan on keeping my car for a looooong time. So
>> >> capitalizing the cost of 2B even at a non-GB price, that's the one 
>> >> that
>> >> makes sense to me. I just cannot get myself the psychological block of
>> >> even
>> >> bending the fender lip for the ECS plate.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That said, who of you out there is a maybe and who is a for sure with
>> 2B?
>> >> Reply to me directly and at the end of next week I'll contact 2B. I
>> have
>> >> never dealt with them so if somebody could either pave the road or
>> >> provide
>> >> the appropriate point of contact that would be great.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
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