[s-cars] "stealers"

[dave flagg]

<<I've purchased two Audis from Dave Flagg and his son Pete. I've always 
felt I paid a fair price on a vehicle that has always been presented 
honestly.>>
Thanks Cello,
Happily we do enjoy a customer base of people like yourself. If we were in 
it soley for the money, you'd see all kinds of cars here for sale; customers 
BUY all kinds of cars. We have simply found a niche that we enjoy; the cars, 
the people and the evnets we go to.

The problem with posting the auction reports is there is so much more to the 
story.

Robert Rossato wrote: <<He did mention that the roof of the car was 
resprayed but the
rest of the car had the original paint>>
I find it interesting that this was acceptable; was it repainted due a 
scratch from a bike rack or did a tree fall on it and crush the roof 
requiring a new roof?.With a repainted/repaired roof, I would most likely 
would have left that car behind

<<Keep in mind the auction house also gets a 6% fee. >>

Ah.......no, not even close Your broker made around
10 % if he told you that.  If your guy is a legitmate dealer, he need's that 
to cover expenses. My objection is that a fellow who operates of his dining 
room table has no where near the overhead while doing business under the 
radar of the state dealer regulations.

calvinlc wrote:

<<Everyone understands that people must make a profit to stay in business.
Everyone also understands that $10k of profit on a car priced at $25k is
highway robbery. >>

I think the listers pretty savvy. If a dealer bought a car so cheap that he 
could make that kind of profit, there's usualy more to the story; ie crashed 
or trashed some reason that caused the previous owner to dump it.
.02+
DF



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <cello at adelphia.net>
To: "Eric Phillips" <gcmschemist at gmail.com>
Cc: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] "stealers"


>
> We all have our bad dealer stories. There are many that rely upon customer 
> ignorance. Many of us work on our own cars, and most buy them used, and if 
> you are like me - only after extensive research. I think we as a group are 
> especially sensitive to some of the tricks dealers play and what they 
> charge. Unfortunately, there are many folks I know that don't care, don't 
> want to walk away when making a purchase - and always think the dealer 
> knows best when it comes to their car's service. You can't convince some 
> people otherwise. That's why they'll continue to be around and make money. 
> As always it's buyer beware.
> I've purchased one new car in my life (Subaru). It was a nightmare to own. 
> The dealer that serviced it under warranty utterly convinced me never to 
> be their customer again. Subaru stood by the issues with the car and 
> covered them, but the service experience was miserable. Of course they 
> were the only Subaru dealer in town.
> I've purchased two Audis from Dave Flagg and his son Pete. I've always 
> felt I paid a fair price on a vehicle that has always been presented 
> honestly. They do the leg work that I would usually do when buying a 
> private vehicle and should be compensated for it - the fact that they are 
> enthusiasts is a bonus! There are others like him (new and used) that I've 
> known - it's just a question of doing the leg work and finding these 
> folks. They do exist!
> Paul
> ---- Eric Phillips  wrote:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:46:55 -0400
>> > From: "dave flagg"
>> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] RS6 going to auction
>> >
>> > The only ax I have to grind is the all too often used reference to the
>> > local
>> > '"stealer". That is a term term that obviously is used by someone whose
>> > boss
>> > charges his customers no more than the employees salary for the 
>> > employee's
>> > work; NOT likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Do you really think that the dealer gets called "stealer" by accident? Or
>> that it's an isolated thing with Audi dealers? Do you think people
>> pervasively use this term for no reason?
>>
>> There is a very good reason I will NEVER go to a dealer to buy a car or 
>> get
>> service. My experiences have been uniformly bad, with only a couple of
>> bright spots - like parts department managers willing to go the extra 
>> mile
>> for me. But the shit I've had to endure from dealerships has guaranteed
>> that I won't go there unless there is no other avenue. And mainly, that's
>> for dealer-only parts.
>>
>> I'm sorry if this reality is hurtful. It's not meant to be. But I tell 
>> you
>> this - the shittiest treatment I've ever endured, without a doubt, was 
>> when
>> we were looking to replace my wife's A2 GLI with an Audi sedan of some
>> stripe. I had to threaten the sales manager with a call to the police to
>> get the keys back to that thing. And here's the strange thing - I was so
>> pissed off, that I went to Usenet to tell my tale, and found out that 
>> this
>> is a normal tactic! The "lost key ruse" is what it got called.
>>
>> For every one story of decent dealer relations, you've got 50 bad ones. 
>> Or
>> more.
>>
>> You can complain all you like, but dealers have *earned* their 
>> reputation.
>> The customer may not always be right, but they sure as hell aren't always
>> wrong.
>>
>> Eric
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