[s-cars] Toyo Tires - T1-R or T1-S

[LL - NY]

Well, FWIW, I have a 3300 (at most) lb Saabaru 9-2X Aero (essentially a WRX
wagon) which saw a grand total of 3 (competitive, especially considering
street tires) autocrosses of about 40 second duration, generally 6 runs per
event. Tire wear was even, so toe issues etc not an issue. The tire,
Bridgestone RE011, UTG 140. The tires were evenly (a bit of cupping) toast
at 7000 miles. These aren't even close to the performance of Falken RT615's.
And FWIW, when I used to autocross on street tires with my then new '85 GTi
(Pirelli P600's, Eagle GT's, UTG 180) at all of 2200 lbs (on the scales), I
used to get all of about 8000 to 10,000 miles on a set although that car saw
full seasons. Problem of treadwear  was fixed by going to dedicated Auto-X
and track tires, rather than trying to use street tires on the track. So,
IMHO, 8K miles out of the Falkens is hardly anything to complain about.

LL - NY

On 1/29/06, docwyte at comcast.net <docwyte at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> 993/996/997 are all rear engine, rwd cars.  The NSX has serious toe
> issues, hence it's tire appetite.  I can get 20k miles out of a set of
> S03's, I expect about the same from the 615, as that's what it's marketed
> as.  I've gotten 8-10k miles from RA1's, if I wanted an R tire, I would've
> bought one.  I expect more from a street tire.  If Falken wants to rename
> the 615 the 615R, then I'll know what to expect.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> Considering that a Porsche 993/996/997 can do a pair of 295s in 5k miles
> and a NSX can kill A022s
> in about that time, all of these being much lighter cars by several
> hundred pounds, it's not that surprising.
>
> You're buying a gumball tire- are you that surprised that the tire
> longevity is poor? Tire longevity and grip
> are not complementary factors in tire design.
>
> How do you know that RA-1s would last longer- have you run them on the
> street in the same conditions?
>
> If you want more longevity, I'd recommend something more street-oriented,
> like the Goodyear F1-GSD3 or
> Continental Sport Contact 2.
>
> 7-10k is all I'd expect out of a set of RE-070s on my car, the RT-615s are
> a similar type of tire. A friend of
> mine got 7k out of a set of Bridgestone RE-011s, which are an OE summer
> tire on a sport sedan, not
> designed as a gumball tire, but he drives hard. Another guy I know got
> about 8k out of a set of
> SP8000E on his A4 1.8T.
>
> Taka
>
>
>
> On 1/29/06, docwyte at comcast.net <docwyte at comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm sure that is a contributing factor, but 8k miles is pretty weak.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Taka Mizutani < t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> It probably doesn't help that you're driving a relatively heavy car on
> those tires.
>
> Taka
>
>
>
> On 1/28/06, docwyte at comcast.net < docwyte at comcast.net> wrote:
> I have the Azenis 615's on my street rims for the '01 S4 right now.  Good
> tire, but I'm *very* disappointed with the wear!  I did one DE (a gentle
> one) and 2 auto-x's on em, otherwise all street miles.  At 8000 miles,
> they're almost down to the wear bars.  With that kinda wear, I'd rather have
> gotten Toyo RA-1's, which would've lasted just as long and been far better
> for DE's and auto-x.
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