[s-cars] Was bad CPS?, now bad crank pulley and balancer conf irmed

[Young, Steve]

Dave...

Do the T fitting yourself.  It's a fairly easy job.  Would make sense to do
now since the coolant is out, but the dealer will crucify you on the labor.
It's about a 20 minute job once the coolant is drained.  Good luck. 


Regards,

				TRANE
Steven Young
Local Operations Manager
Albany Office




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Hi Tom,
 
Dealer is now replacing the pump @ 1 hr labor.  Although price for pump is
absurd.  
 
I'm also inquiring about replacing the infamous t-fitting.  Although this
may best be kept for my independent mechanic to do at a later date if they
want to tack on additonal labor.  (He didn't seem to excited about this when
I mentioned it to him.)
 
Dealer reckons that the walls got washed with gas as the compression popped
back up once they squirted some oil in the cylinders.
 
Next step is to see how it runs once they get it put back together.  Then if
necessary the dealer will go further (read compression test or pull head).
 
Even if it runs fine it will soon be making the drive to my independent's
shop for a compression test any way.
 
Dave
 
 
 
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From: Tom Green <trgreen at comcast.net>
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Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:04:13 -0400
Subject: Re:[s-cars] Was bad CPS?, now bad crank pulley and balancer
confirmed


Kinda sounds like they are not interested in doing the water pump, Dave, and
would like to just get this job out the door in running condition asap. 
I would ask about overlap in the labor estimate for the job since draining,
replacing the coolant, loosening the hyd pump bracket, removing 3 bolts and
r&r the water pump doesn't sound like an extensive job. The dealer list on
the water pump is $218 and change, add an o-ring and gallon of coolant and
it wouldn't take much labor to approach $400, so perhaps a bit of padding
here just to cover other things. You can't expect the shop to replace the
coolant without looking at the integrity of the entire system and leak
testing after coolant replacement, and, thermostat replacement is usually
recommended with coolant change, etc, etc , etc. You get the idea? You
already know they don't stock any parts for the car, so every new part is a
delay. This sort of stuff eats into the mechanics non-billable time, so if
I'm wanting to schedule some profitable jobs in the shop, I want to move
this job asap. Every bit of additional work just creates more liability. I
don't think you are on the preferred, long-term customer list. :-) 
 
My highest rated independent repair shop charged me $160 to change the
thermostat when I added it as an afterthought to a timing belt job. This is
a job I can do in 30 minutes from shutdown and they already had the coolant
drained. The owner advised me when doing the billing after the job was done
that the flat rate labor was 3.5 hours and no overlap with the timing belt
replacement. That would have been a $300 job if he had not adjusted the
time. 
 
I'm just saying that sometimes we get too accustomed to this cheap labor and
internet parts stuff and forget it is a lot different if you have to make a
living at this stuff. But, even balancing things, $500 is too much, when I
would expect any of these dealer or after-market pumps to be good for 100K
at least. 
 
Has the compression issue stayed as last reported, ie, no compression? I
would think an update of that test is in order before I would start thinking
I'm out of the woods now, and nothing else needs work. 
 
Tom PS. Glad to see things are moving in the positive direction!! 
 
 
> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:52:27 +0100
> From: <iain.atkinson at tesco.net>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Was bad CPS?, now bad crank pulley and balancer 
> confirmed
> To: <hoog23 at aol.com>,<s-car-list at audifans.com>
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> $500 for a pump change you are kidding me, considering that if they > 
> are doing the belt etc etc most of the parts are already off the > car 
> anyway. and yes i would certainly get them to do a comp test
> 
> iain
>> 
>> From: hoog23 at aol.com
>> Date: 2006/07/05 Wed PM 02:30:12 BST
>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: [s-cars] Was bad CPS?, now bad crank pulley and balancer >> 
>> confirmed
>> 
>> Finally got an answer. 
>> 
>> Got a call on Monday from the dealer who has had the car for the >> last
2 weeks. They removed the pulley and balancer and reported >> that both were
bad. The 'key' did shear off the pulley and the >> balancer went bad and has
some sort of physical damage. 
>> 
>> (I was a little T'd off since the service advisor had agreed to >> 
>> call me to be present when the items were removed. This was >> mostly 
>> in case I ended up in a dispute with the extended warranty >> 
>> company.)
>> 
>> Just received another call this morning and fortunately the >> warranty
company will cover everything with the exception of >> express (if you call
a week 'express') shipping of some parts from >> Germany and minor shop
charges. The parts I know they will be >> replacing are the belt, tensioner,
pulley and balancer >> (obviously), key way, and crank bolt. 
>> 
>> A question did come up about the water pump. I had originally >> told
them to give me a price on replacing the pump (it is not bad >> and would
not be covered under the warranty). Dealer wants about >> $500. Note that
the pump was replaced at 52k three years ago by >> same dealer during last
timing belt job. Car has 82k now. 
>> 
>> Should I replace the pump? 
>> 
>> Also should I have them perform another compression test once it >> is
running again? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
 
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