[s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat

Thu Jul 20 10:44:13 EDT 2006

Calvin,
I'm with you on the spoiler thing, for 90% of the Evo/Sti's out there, it's
overkill.  I have driven my car around sans wing and it does make a
difference.  As for the drag, just add horsepower.  :)

Joe

On 7/20/06, calvinlc at earthlink.net <calvinlc at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Oh, I am sure it does add downforce.  But there is a tuning that has to be
> done between downforce and drag...I wonder if Subaru did that.  My guess
> is
> no.  Do the rally cars run the same size rear wing?  Maybe at speeds under
> 100 the trade is favorable for the size wing you have, but at higher
> speeds
> I'm sure it falls apart.  It depends on what the application is.
> Spoiler/wing tuning is just as important as spring tuning if you are
> serious
> about racing.
>
> Joe:
> As far as blinders go, I love these little cars.  And remember, I have no
> Euro pretentions...hell my fastest car is a GM product that is 34 years
> old!
> For my purposes my UrS does a better job for me than the pocket
> rockets...however, if I had a space (and money) for more than 5 cars I
> would
> certainly consider one of these little guys.  I am personally partial to
> the
> EVO's styling a little more, but like the extra 0.5 liters of displacement
> in the STi.  However, that doesn't mean that there are "features" on each
> one of them that I think are ludicrously dumb :)
>
> --Calvin
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Taka Mizutani [mailto:t44tqtro at gmail.com]
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:32 PM
>   To: calvinlc at earthlink.net
>   Cc: LL - NY; s-car-list at audifans.com; Steve Voit
>   Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
>   Yes, but that big wing does actually make downforce at speed, same thing
> with the Evo. It's not
>   a tack-on APC wing that some kid bought at Pep Boys.
>
>   Taka
>
>
>   On 7/20/06, calvinlc at earthlink.net <calvinlc at earthlink.net> wrote:
>     >I think the Legacy can go, don't know if it's a gearing issue or not-
> the
>     >STi seems to run out of steam
>
>     It might have something to do with that Oh-So-Aerodynamic rear
> wing....I
>     don't quite understand why the manufacturer's of cars like the STi
> think
>     that is a must.  Let junior spend $500 more of daddy's money if he
> wants
> a
>     rear wing and let the rest of us buy the car for the performance it
> offers.
>     I think there is a group of people out there who thinks the more
> plastic
>     crap you put on a car the faster it goes....it's kind of like we used
> to
>     joke at the dragstrip with the guy who had 15 decals on the car...I
> think
>     the going rate was like 0.1 seconds per decal :)
>
>     --Calvin
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>     [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com ]On Behalf Of Taka Mizutani
>     Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:35 PM
>     To: LL - NY
>     Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com; Steve Voit
>     Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
>     Nah, definitely no Ikea runs with an M Coupe. :-)
>
>     I didn't feel the refinement of the Legacy GT being all that bad, just
> a
>     difference in opinion coming
>     from a guy with a tank, a girly tank and two tin cans in the house.
>
>     I think the Legacy can go, don't know if it's a gearing issue or not-
> the
>     STi seems to run out of steam
>     around 120-130, I don't know how long it took them to get to 150. I
> think
>     the Germans have the edge
>     there, but in the US it's almost academic.
>
>     My friend's 635CSi felt really slow until you got past 85, then it
> felt
>     pretty darn nice.
>
>     Then again, I've seen a '01 Mustang Cobra go well past 140 without
> really
>     any loss of acceleration, just
>     kept getting smaller and smaller and smaller (I was in the 200 at the
> time).
>
>     Taka
>
>
>     On 7/19/06, LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com > wrote:
>     >
>     > Unfortunately, I don't think I could've done my Ikea runs with an
> M-Coupe
>     > successfully. When I bought
>     > the Saabaru, I knew it was a compromise. For pure driving, I really
>     > would've preferred a Miata or a Cooper S.
>     >
>     > As for the Legacy GT comment on the earlier post, in terms of road
> feel,
>     > it's actually pretty good, sort of like a lighter on it's feet Stage
> 1
>     UrS,
>     > a little better bottom end, notably weaker at the top end (well, as
> far as
>     I
>     > was comfortable testing on theh test drive. Lets just say, dipped
> into
>     three
>     > digits a ways). But the refinement really isn't there. Still, a
> potential
>     > substitute.
>     >
>     > LL - NY
>     >
>     >
>     > On 7/19/06, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
>     > >
>     > > Well, other than the AWD aspect, you could have gotten an M
> Coupe.....
>     > > :-)
>     > >
>     > > Much more practical than a Miata. :-)
>     > >
>     > > Taka
>     > >
>     >
>     >
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