[s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
Robert Rossato
r0ssat0_987 at att.net
Fri Jul 21 11:36:06 EDT 2006
I've lost track of which generation is which on the Passat at this point, but from '98 to '04 (may have even been an '05 model imported as well) the Passat was built on a combination Audi A4/6 chassis (Basically a stretched A4 chassis with A6 rear suspension). So it's a longitudinal arrangement for the engine and the 4motion uses the same 01E torsen transmission as the traditional Audi quattro setup. The new '06 Passat has split from the A4 line and is once again a transverse engine layout which would use Haldex for AWD setups. Every few generations the B series VW (Passat) and B series Audi (A4) converge and diverge, so I'm sure the Passat will probably go longitudinal once more in 6-7 years.
Bob
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Pasqualoni, James E" <james.pasqualoni at gs.com>
> Interesting. So the B5.5 1.8t was longitudinally mounted? Don't know
> of any other 1.8t VAG product that isn't longitudinally mounted and
> utilizes Torsen??? How'd they do that?
>
>
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> From: hoog23 at aol.com [mailto:hoog23 at aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:02 AM
> To: Pasqualoni, James E
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> Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
> I believe it is torsen. Thats what I read on the passat forums
> at least.
>
> They imported a couple hundred 4mo 5spd wagons like that.
>
> Some guy on the tid forums transplanted a euro tdi v6 150hp 6spd
> into a 4motion passat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james.pasqualoni at gs.com
> To: hoog23 at aol.com
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
> The first and biggest issue IMO is that the 1.8t motor is
> horizontally
> opposed in orientation and therefore utilizes the Haldex AWD
> system, not
> Torsen. Too much front bias unless you do the Haldex ecu mod.
> Furthermore, I don't know that any 5-sp 4M Wagons were imported,
> just
> sedans, and only for 1 model yr. My wife drives an 03 B5.5
> Pussat 4M V6
> mit Torsen. *BUT* it's a slush-box. In 50k miles, all I've
> done
> (besides oil changes/air filters, etc) are rear pads and rotors.
> Rock
> solid (knock on wood). Car will literally drive sideways in
> winter for
> as long as you want it to. Actually quite tossable in the snow.
>
> Just my $.02
>
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>
> Sort of back on original topic. (I'm just going to throw this
> out there
> so not too many flames please.)
>
> Anyone ever consider a b5.5 Passat 4motion 5-spd?
>
> Yes underpowered compared to a stock UrS car but its about the
> same size
> and its got quattro.
>
> Maybe with a chip, A8 brake upgrade and different suspension it
> would be
> acceptible? Mileage would be better.
>
> Did vw ever get the quality issues worked out with the later
> years? My
> wife had a '98 1.8t when it first came out and ended up being a
> maintenance nightmare (nick named it the POSsat). The warranty
> back
> then was only like 2yrs/24k. Control arms, water leaking into
> cabin
> (sound familiar) and even the radiator went at less than 50k.
> Best
> thing about that car was the brakes were actually pretty good.
> In the
> end I couldn't give it away.
>
> Dave
>
>
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> To: s-car-list at audifans.com <mailto:s-car-list%40audifans.com>
> Cc: wmahoney at disk.com <mailto:wmahoney%40disk.com> ;
> stevevoit at comcast.net <mailto:stevevoit%40comcast.net>
> Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
>
> Steve nailed it and Baloney 2nd'd:
>
> <<<Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:36:49 -0500
> From: "Bill Mahoney" <wmahoney at disk.com
> <mailto:wmahoney%40disk.com> >
> Subject: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat +danger Will Robinson
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com <mailto:s-car-list%40audifans.com>
> >
>
> SteVo,
>
> A very nice dribble of wordsmithing you have made here. I
> couldn't have
> said it better myself. In fact I was thinking of writing
> something
> similar, but let's just go with yours. Yes.
>
> I must add that some of those new Alfa's, due here by the next
> decade,
> remind us why we like curvy styling and things that go along
> with it.
>
> Also-
>
> There may never be another Sfest so don't miss the opportunity
> to attend
> what could be the finale and put some faces with the banter.
> "Sometimes
> ya just gotta say, shoot; I'm goin'"
>
> Bill~bad gas mileage and tires that wear too quickly~M>>>
>
>
>
>
> Steve-
>
> Couldn't have said any of it any better. I esp. like your quote
> of
> they're all turning left while you're going straight ahead.
> Amazes me
> the mfg's don't frickin LISTEN. I've been beating this same
> drum pretty
> hard here lately too. Trying to think of UrS replacement
> options and it
> ain't easy. Nothing compares, esp. in feel - all new cars lack
> this
> especially lately.
>
> And all the new crap is filled to the max with fart sensors and
> electro
> doodads no one gives a flying F about. You all might remember
> my quote
> about sitting in der neu //S8 @ the Streets of Tomorrow RS4
> event. We
> all sat in it and looked around in marvel / bewilderment of the
> sheer
> GLUT of frickin 'things' they cram into that car. And I started
> keenly
> pointing out "that won't work in a year, that in two, this in
> three, and
> heck this within weeks". Answers to questions nobody friggin
> asked, I
> say. Our BMW flogs at the Tit Event further evidenced this
> fact,
> they're near the worst offenders. Coupled with Bangleisms
> they've lost
> me for good unless they change course. Benz is in same boat, I
> always
> find humor in chatting with the Service Advisors about the
> 'issues'
> they're seeing on the new ones. SCARY - no thanks.
>
> And all those 'features' adds up to money, weight, crap
> reliability, and
> over complexity that you cannot fix yourself, nor cheaply. WTF?
> Buy
> one of these out of warranty in a few years? HA! Finance
> companies
> better start writing 30 year notes on these things to afford the
> maintenance.
>
> Craig Lebakken cracked me up yesterday off list. He went ahead
> and did
> the absurd. Bought himself a near showroom perfect '72 GMC
> Jimmy from a
> one owner little old lady who used it to tow horses. Except the
> hood
> that the horse literally bit, it its a complete unbelievable
> time
> capsule. I'd been saying that recently, instead of spending
> $8-20k on a
> replacement car of recent vintage, I'm totally tempted to buy
> some sort
> of time capsule or restoration from the glory days. Kudos to
> Craig, I
> say. Trendsetter, and, what a score he found.
>
> Mfg's need to stop spending R&D $ on useless junk and spend R&D
> on
> making a f'n window switch that works longer than 90 days or
> turbos that
> blow every 40k or or or or or. And I suggest taking this
> retrotrend of
> recent a few steps further... make a new car retro, in that
> it's
> de-optioned. We want less frills, less weight, less $, and less
> complexity / things to go wrong. John Q. Public does, too...
> they just
> don't know it as they're fleeced by the marketeers who tell them
> the
> latest they 'must have'.
>
> Wish some sort of 'movement' would be started toward this end.
> Unfortunately I'm not delusional (well, OK I am but not in this
> regard)
> and know it'll get far worse before slightly better - if at all.
> I find
> myself sounding like some old codger who shuns technology and is
> afraid
> of change - and I'm only 33! While I'm not afraid of it, I'm
> afraid of
> the direction the mfg's have chosen to take it.
>
> And... don't ask what I'll be replacing my car with. You'll
> never
> guess, won't believe, and won't accept it as unghey - but - I
> don't
> care. We'll see what happens, when the time comes.
>
> -Paul
>
>
> ps. Baloney does make a good //SFest point...
>
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