[s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
Pasqualoni, James E
james.pasqualoni at gs.com
Fri Jul 21 11:45:21 EDT 2006
Thanks Encyclopedia Rossatica! You are correct. Hoog referred me to
some research he did. I was unaware that the 1.8t in the Pussat was in
fact a longitudinal one. 1.8t, manual, torsen, wouldn't be such a bad
thing. Think I'd still take a loaded W8 4M Wagon mit 18" wheels, oe
sport suspension, HID's and sport interior tho! Oh yeah, and Torsen!
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To: Pasqualoni, James E; hoog23 at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
I've lost track of which generation is which on the Passat at this
point, but from '98 to '04 (may have even been an '05 model imported as
well) the Passat was built on a combination Audi A4/6 chassis (Basically
a stretched A4 chassis with A6 rear suspension). So it's a longitudinal
arrangement for the engine and the 4motion uses the same 01E torsen
transmission as the traditional Audi quattro setup. The new '06 Passat
has split from the A4 line and is once again a transverse engine layout
which would use Haldex for AWD setups. Every few generations the B
series VW (Passat) and B series Audi (A4) converge and diverge, so I'm
sure the Passat will probably go longitudinal once more in 6-7 years.
Bob
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Pasqualoni, James E" <james.pasqualoni at gs.com>
> Interesting. So the B5.5 1.8t was longitudinally mounted? Don't know
> of any other 1.8t VAG product that isn't longitudinally mounted and
> utilizes Torsen??? How'd they do that?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: hoog23 at aol.com [mailto:hoog23 at aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:02 AM
> To: Pasqualoni, James E
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
> I believe it is torsen. Thats what I read on the passat forums
> at least.
>
> They imported a couple hundred 4mo 5spd wagons like that.
>
> Some guy on the tid forums transplanted a euro tdi v6 150hp 6spd
into
> a 4motion passat.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james.pasqualoni at gs.com
> To: hoog23 at aol.com
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
> The first and biggest issue IMO is that the 1.8t motor is
> horizontally
> opposed in orientation and therefore utilizes the Haldex AWD
system,
> not
> Torsen. Too much front bias unless you do the Haldex ecu mod.
> Furthermore, I don't know that any 5-sp 4M Wagons were imported,
just
> sedans, and only for 1 model yr. My wife drives an 03 B5.5
Pussat 4M
> V6
> mit Torsen. *BUT* it's a slush-box. In 50k miles, all I've
done
> (besides oil changes/air filters, etc) are rear pads and rotors.
> Rock
> solid (knock on wood). Car will literally drive sideways in
winter
> for
> as long as you want it to. Actually quite tossable in the snow.
>
> Just my $.02
>
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>
> Sort of back on original topic. (I'm just going to throw this
out
> there
> so not too many flames please.)
>
> Anyone ever consider a b5.5 Passat 4motion 5-spd?
>
> Yes underpowered compared to a stock UrS car but its about the
same
> size
> and its got quattro.
>
> Maybe with a chip, A8 brake upgrade and different suspension it
would
> be
> acceptible? Mileage would be better.
>
> Did vw ever get the quality issues worked out with the later
years?
> My
> wife had a '98 1.8t when it first came out and ended up being a
> maintenance nightmare (nick named it the POSsat). The warranty
back
> then was only like 2yrs/24k. Control arms, water leaking into
cabin
> (sound familiar) and even the radiator went at less than 50k.
> Best
> thing about that car was the brakes were actually pretty good.
> In the
> end I couldn't give it away.
>
> Dave
>
>
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> Cc: wmahoney at disk.com <mailto:wmahoney%40disk.com> ;
> stevevoit at comcast.net <mailto:stevevoit%40comcast.net>
> Sent: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat
>
>
>
> Steve nailed it and Baloney 2nd'd:
>
> <<<Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:36:49 -0500
> From: "Bill Mahoney" <wmahoney at disk.com
<mailto:wmahoney%40disk.com>
> >
> Subject: [s-cars] The Audi as a Fiat +danger Will Robinson
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com <mailto:s-car-list%40audifans.com>
> >
>
> SteVo,
>
> A very nice dribble of wordsmithing you have made here. I
couldn't
> have
> said it better myself. In fact I was thinking of writing
something
> similar, but let's just go with yours. Yes.
>
> I must add that some of those new Alfa's, due here by the next
> decade,
> remind us why we like curvy styling and things that go along
with it.
>
> Also-
>
> There may never be another Sfest so don't miss the opportunity
to
> attend
> what could be the finale and put some faces with the banter.
> "Sometimes
> ya just gotta say, shoot; I'm goin'"
>
> Bill~bad gas mileage and tires that wear too quickly~M>>>
>
>
>
>
> Steve-
>
> Couldn't have said any of it any better. I esp. like your quote
of
> they're all turning left while you're going straight ahead.
> Amazes me
> the mfg's don't frickin LISTEN. I've been beating this same
drum
> pretty
> hard here lately too. Trying to think of UrS replacement
options and
> it
> ain't easy. Nothing compares, esp. in feel - all new cars lack
this
> especially lately.
>
> And all the new crap is filled to the max with fart sensors and
> electro
> doodads no one gives a flying F about. You all might remember
my
> quote
> about sitting in der neu //S8 @ the Streets of Tomorrow RS4
event.
> We
> all sat in it and looked around in marvel / bewilderment of the
sheer
> GLUT of frickin 'things' they cram into that car. And I started
> keenly
> pointing out "that won't work in a year, that in two, this in
three,
> and
> heck this within weeks". Answers to questions nobody friggin
asked,
> I
> say. Our BMW flogs at the Tit Event further evidenced this
fact,
> they're near the worst offenders. Coupled with Bangleisms
they've
> lost
> me for good unless they change course. Benz is in same boat, I
> always
> find humor in chatting with the Service Advisors about the
'issues'
> they're seeing on the new ones. SCARY - no thanks.
>
> And all those 'features' adds up to money, weight, crap
reliability,
> and
> over complexity that you cannot fix yourself, nor cheaply. WTF?
> Buy
> one of these out of warranty in a few years? HA! Finance
companies
> better start writing 30 year notes on these things to afford the
> maintenance.
>
> Craig Lebakken cracked me up yesterday off list. He went ahead
and
> did
> the absurd. Bought himself a near showroom perfect '72 GMC
Jimmy
> from a
> one owner little old lady who used it to tow horses. Except the
hood
> that the horse literally bit, it its a complete unbelievable
time
> capsule. I'd been saying that recently, instead of spending
$8-20k
> on a
> replacement car of recent vintage, I'm totally tempted to buy
some
> sort
> of time capsule or restoration from the glory days. Kudos to
Craig,
> I
> say. Trendsetter, and, what a score he found.
>
> Mfg's need to stop spending R&D $ on useless junk and spend R&D
on
> making a f'n window switch that works longer than 90 days or
turbos
> that
> blow every 40k or or or or or. And I suggest taking this
retrotrend
> of
> recent a few steps further... make a new car retro, in that
it's
> de-optioned. We want less frills, less weight, less $, and less
> complexity / things to go wrong. John Q. Public does, too...
> they just
> don't know it as they're fleeced by the marketeers who tell them
the
> latest they 'must have'.
>
> Wish some sort of 'movement' would be started toward this end.
> Unfortunately I'm not delusional (well, OK I am but not in this
> regard)
> and know it'll get far worse before slightly better - if at all.
> I find
> myself sounding like some old codger who shuns technology and is
> afraid
> of change - and I'm only 33! While I'm not afraid of it, I'm
afraid
> of
> the direction the mfg's have chosen to take it.
>
> And... don't ask what I'll be replacing my car with. You'll
never
> guess, won't believe, and won't accept it as unghey - but - I
don't
> care. We'll see what happens, when the time comes.
>
> -Paul
>
>
> ps. Baloney does make a good //SFest point...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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