[s-cars] LAF Weakend NAC

Fri Jun 16 17:11:52 EDT 2006

article on stability control and active handling:
http://www.idavette.net/hib/ah1.htm

print it out and take it on your next trip to the bathroom.

i always viewed stability control as a killjoy until i drove that
Z06 with the stability control set to competition mode on a high-speed
autox course (i hit 90+ mph in one spot).

-t.

--- Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i have to check it out when i go to vegas again.  hope it's still around
> by then.
> 
> i believe you mean the C6, which is the newest corvette.  there is no 
> C7... yet.  at least not on the market.
> 
> i'm rather surprised you liked the GTO better than the vette.  i've gotten
> a fair amount of seat time in both cars on autox courses, and the vette
> has it all over the GTO in every performance aspect.  i thought the GTO
> was a little too ponderous and softly sprung - no doubt GM's attempt to
> prevent the GTO from cannibalizing vette sales.  also, the trunk in the
> GTO isn't very usable because of the fuel tank.  except for the addition
> of the rear seats, i'm not convinced the GTO has that much more space than
> the vette.  however, the GTO does offer serious bang for the buck.  a
> 400 hp, 6 liter V8 in a good chassis for $32k list (street price likely
> significantly lower), and if you buy used, these things take a big 
> depreciation hit.  i'm rather tempted myself, but i still think the
> suspension is too soft.  you can get performance parts for the holden
> monaro, which is the same car in australia, but you'll probably have to
> import them.
> 
> as for the CTS-V, i love the performance.  i drove it back to back with
> a C6 vette, and the CTS-V felt like a 4-door version of the vette.  slightly
> slower, a little bigger and heavier, but i didn't think it gave much away
> in handling.  the C6 was the base package and may have been more softly
> tuned than the CTS-V.  but the CTS-V has the heart of a C5 Z06 ('04-'05
> with the 5.7 liter LS6 engine) or a C6 ('06 with the 6 liter LS2) and it 
> sure as heck isn't slow.
> 
> of these cars, i'd take a CTS-V, mainly because i like having a 4-door
> for stealth.  i don't need any more speeding tickets, and yes, i'm getting
> old.  i like having a little luxury and refinement, which is why you don't
> see me driving a WRX or lancer evo.
> 
> you missed one of the best things about the C6 and CTS-V: the stability
> control.  normally, i hate stability control and i turn it off in any
> vehicle i drive.  BMW's DSC is especially annoying, because it aggressively
> cuts throttle when it detects a little sliding, and takes a long time to
> give it back.  i drove a C5 Z06 and the LS6 CTS-V with the stability
> control set to competition mode (the guy next to me wouldn't turn it off,
> but he set it to competition), and damned if the stability control didn't
> actually help to go faster.  i could feel it intervening as i trailbraked
> into corners, and as i accelerated out of corners.  the stability control's
> intervention was minimal, and i only noticed the slight pulsing in
> the pedal at extreme moments.  in the corners, when you'd normally get
> understeer from entering too hot, the stabilitrak pulses the inside rear 
> wheel brake to help rotate the car.  that's not something anybody, not even
> michael schumacher, can do.  there's an SAE paper about GM's "active 
> handling" technology, and it's an interesting read.  unfortunately, i don't
> seem to have a copy any more.
> 
> GM's stabilitrak is far better than the offerings from BMW, audi, mercedes,
> etc.  it's the only one that didn't make me want to turn it off.
> 
> if i owned a vette or CTS-V, i would drive it with the stability control
> in competition mode.  i don't think the GTO offers it.
> 
> -teddy
> 
> --- pkrasusky at ups.com wrote:
> 
> >  
> > Taka-
> >  
> > Book flight to LV?  Right outside the Sahara 8-)...
> >  
> > Heh, OK, maybe do a net search on "The Drive"?  That's all it was
> > called.  Very well organized, run, executed.  And did I execute 8-).
> > Well worth attending, no wait around all day for crap seat time here,
> > like I said in and out in 1/2 hour.  Maybe they do a tour?  Wish all the
> > events I attend were run so well.  Tho having to do a breathalyzer prior
> > was rather comedic yet understandable considering you can walk the
> > streets of LV with open container.  Yes I blew a 0.00 - it was early.
> >  
> > I'm certain the C7 stick coupe is a superior car.  Hard to explain, I
> > just sorta dig the GTO's for some reason.  Cracks me up every time I see
> > one on the road they're being putzed along by secretaries.  So much car
> > there, and I really like the looks to boot.  4 seats 6 spd. 400 horse
> > RWD a trunk and, cheap.... what's not to like I say.  Lot of car / oomph
> > for the dough.  
> >  
> > I'm sure I'd 'take' a C7 over the goat given the choice, sorta a no
> > brainer.  I just like the goat better for some odd reason.  Mostly cause
> > I don't don a moustache and gold chains maybe?  But I could play
> > secretary in the GTO, sure...
> >  
> > -Paul
> >  
> > 
> >   _____  
> > 
> > From: Taka Mizutani [mailto:t44tqtro at gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:51 AM
> > To: Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com; james.pasqualoni at gs.com
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] LAF Weakend NAC
> > 
> > 
> > Paul-
> > Any info on how I can do this event?
> > 
> > Funny how you liked the GTO- that would be my pick for a daily driver,
> > although
> > I'd take the Vette regardless. Drive a stick coupe and I think you would
> > have been
> > a lot more impressed.
> > 
> > Taka
> > 
> > 
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