[s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)

Tue Apr 24 23:35:55 EDT 2007

W.G. - the AWD thing, in my opinion, is just simply the response time of the
torsen and the 50/50 natural state of the drivetrain.  The problem really is
that metro Denver has the worst damn roads I have ever driven on when it
snows any appreciable amount...much worse than Minnesota, for
instance...even worse than the mountain areas in Colorado.  This really is
the only reason I ever switched from all rear wheel drive stuff to start
with.  Kind of the sacrifice for living here I guess :)
--Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: W.G. Giles [mailto:sportquattros1 at mac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)

I have a few more thoughts.
1. I am sure there are maintenance and reliability issues with the
Volvo just like the S cars, nothing is perfect.
2. As for the AWD system being worse then the Audi some do not like
it but it worked well for me. (driver is everything)
3. I am not sure about the size shrinking on the R-V series Volvo
looks to be the same size as the S4-S6 cars to me.
4. Newer S4 TT is a great car but it is to small for my needs in
sedan form and the wagon is useless for my hauling needs.
5. As for the dealerships I can only say that the only good new car
dealer near me is the Subaru dealer all others suck and I have owned
may new
     cars foreign and domestic.
6. I have seen a factory body (looked factory) kit for the S60R and
it is low so maybe that is what is making that car scrape.

I do feel that my personal preference is Audi (95 S6 and 200 20v)
over many other cars, but if I had to replace the S6 I would get a
S60R or on  a different note maybe I get a V8 M5 and just drive the
200 20v in the winter.
W.G.

On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:07 AM, calvinlc at earthlink.net wrote:

> Volvo problem #1 - All Wheel Drive system sucks compared to
> Audi's....I have
> driven the V70R, in both it's current and predecessor version only
> available
> with the slushbox...both AWDs were on par with the standard old mitsu
> viscous coupling stuff....same cars I drove around during our December
> snowstorms here in Denver because they were stuck.
>
> Volvo problem #2 - the cars keep shrinking!  The V70R used to be
> very much
> on par with a Urs6 avant...not anymore, now it's more like the B5
> S4...not
> quite that small but not much bigger.  I know, for some that may be
> attractive as it improves the handling, but for those of us who
> like to
> carry adult passengers in the back without them sucking knee all
> the way to
> the destination it kind of stinks.
>
> Volvo problem #3 - The dealerships, at least in Denver, make you
> think that
> you are test driving a Lamborghini with the way they treat their
> beloved R
> cars....I have come close to telling them "The damn thing costs
> less than a
> Yukon, give me the keys snob boy; besides the thing isn't nearly as
> fast as
> the cars I already own."
>
> the Volvo R cars come close to doing all things "piglike," but
> still fall
> short on the aforementioned points 1 & 2.  The Subaru B-specs come
> close as
> well, but still fall short in AWD capability and interior fit and
> finish.
>
> --Calvin
>
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> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)
>
>
>
> Hey, I'm used to that, my GLH turbo couldn't turn a U'ey well, cost
> me a
> ticket trying it in Chicago and a couple of autox trophies on
> courses  laid
> out
> by CRX CSP drivers.    A known problem with transverse motors  with
> monster
> rubber on them.  I learned to use the handbrake better.   I might
> argue he
> may be
> just turning around to see where you went to?
>
> I'd rather see a full test drive report.  Turning radius so  noted.
>
> ;)
>
> SJ
>
>
> In a message dated 4/23/2007 10:40:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> audiurs4 at mailforce.net writes:
>
> Check  out the turning radius on the Volvo S60R. A friend of mine
> has one
> and he  regrets buying it for this alone.  It's very annoying.
> It's hard
> to park in between two cars in a parking lot or ramp and forget about
> making a u-turn on anything less than a 6 lane divided road without
> using reverse. Even then it would be tight.  Even my battleship of a
> URS4 can u-turn at most  intersections.
>
> JR
>
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