[s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)

[W.G. Giles]

I am interested to hear what is different about the Denver roads.   
How are they different?  I am being serious with you is it the type  
of snow, type of drivers, road condition, or some other factor?
W.G.

On Apr 24, 2007, at 11:35 PM, calvinlc at earthlink.net wrote:

> W.G. - the AWD thing, in my opinion, is just simply the response  
> time of the
> torsen and the 50/50 natural state of the drivetrain.  The problem  
> really is
> that metro Denver has the worst damn roads I have ever driven on  
> when it
> snows any appreciable amount...much worse than Minnesota, for
> instance...even worse than the mountain areas in Colorado.  This  
> really is
> the only reason I ever switched from all rear wheel drive stuff to  
> start
> with.  Kind of the sacrifice for living here I guess :)
> --Calvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W.G. Giles [mailto:sportquattros1 at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:54 AM
> To: calvinlc at earthlink.net
> Cc: QSHIPQ at aol.com; audiurs4 at mailforce.net; pmische at comcast.net;
> pkrasusky at ups.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)
>
>
> I have a few more thoughts.
> 1. I am sure there are maintenance and reliability issues with the
> Volvo just like the S cars, nothing is perfect.
> 2. As for the AWD system being worse then the Audi some do not like
> it but it worked well for me. (driver is everything)
> 3. I am not sure about the size shrinking on the R-V series Volvo
> looks to be the same size as the S4-S6 cars to me.
> 4. Newer S4 TT is a great car but it is to small for my needs in
> sedan form and the wagon is useless for my hauling needs.
> 5. As for the dealerships I can only say that the only good new car
> dealer near me is the Subaru dealer all others suck and I have owned
> may new
>      cars foreign and domestic.
> 6. I have seen a factory body (looked factory) kit for the S60R and
> it is low so maybe that is what is making that car scrape.
>
> I do feel that my personal preference is Audi (95 S6 and 200 20v)
> over many other cars, but if I had to replace the S6 I would get a
> S60R or on  a different note maybe I get a V8 M5 and just drive the
> 200 20v in the winter.
> W.G.
>
> On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:07 AM, calvinlc at earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> Volvo problem #1 - All Wheel Drive system sucks compared to
>> Audi's....I have
>> driven the V70R, in both it's current and predecessor version only
>> available
>> with the slushbox...both AWDs were on par with the standard old mitsu
>> viscous coupling stuff....same cars I drove around during our  
>> December
>> snowstorms here in Denver because they were stuck.
>>
>> Volvo problem #2 - the cars keep shrinking!  The V70R used to be
>> very much
>> on par with a Urs6 avant...not anymore, now it's more like the B5
>> S4...not
>> quite that small but not much bigger.  I know, for some that may be
>> attractive as it improves the handling, but for those of us who
>> like to
>> carry adult passengers in the back without them sucking knee all
>> the way to
>> the destination it kind of stinks.
>>
>> Volvo problem #3 - The dealerships, at least in Denver, make you
>> think that
>> you are test driving a Lamborghini with the way they treat their
>> beloved R
>> cars....I have come close to telling them "The damn thing costs
>> less than a
>> Yukon, give me the keys snob boy; besides the thing isn't nearly as
>> fast as
>> the cars I already own."
>>
>> the Volvo R cars come close to doing all things "piglike," but
>> still fall
>> short on the aforementioned points 1 & 2.  The Subaru B-specs come
>> close as
>> well, but still fall short in AWD capability and interior fit and
>> finish.
>>
>> --Calvin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of QSHIPQ at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:45 AM
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>> s-car-list at audifans.com; ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, I'm used to that, my GLH turbo couldn't turn a U'ey well, cost
>> me a
>> ticket trying it in Chicago and a couple of autox trophies on
>> courses  laid
>> out
>> by CRX CSP drivers.    A known problem with transverse motors  with
>> monster
>> rubber on them.  I learned to use the handbrake better.   I might
>> argue he
>> may be
>> just turning around to see where you went to?
>>
>> I'd rather see a full test drive report.  Turning radius so  noted.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> SJ
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/23/2007 10:40:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> audiurs4 at mailforce.net writes:
>>
>> Check  out the turning radius on the Volvo S60R. A friend of mine
>> has one
>> and he  regrets buying it for this alone.  It's very annoying.
>> It's hard
>> to park in between two cars in a parking lot or ramp and forget about
>> making a u-turn on anything less than a 6 lane divided road without
>> using reverse. Even then it would be tight.  Even my battleship of a
>> URS4 can u-turn at most  intersections.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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