[s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)

Fri Apr 27 01:53:56 EDT 2007

No salt....

Only 60 snow plows for the whole fricking metro area - If the sun doesn't
come out you are hosed

Seems to get quite icy when we only get 1-2 inches - once again, no salt

Don't get me wrong, there are lots of upsides to no salt but one of them is
certainly NOT driveability on the roads.  I've been in driving snow in
Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois without a problem in much lesser cars.
Here in Denver I have had to pull "AWD" Subarus and Cherokees out with my
UrS.  Did you know that even some of the new Cherokees have switched to the
Borg Warner "AWD" system.  It's really funny to watch people's faces when
there "AWD" car is stuck in the snow and only one wheel is spinning :)

--Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: W.G. Giles [mailto:sportquattros1 at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:01 AM
To: calvinlc at earthlink.net
Cc: QSHIPQ at aol.com; audiurs4 at mailforce.net; pmische at comcast.net;
pkrasusky at ups.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)

I am interested to hear what is different about the Denver roads.
How are they different?  I am being serious with you is it the type
of snow, type of drivers, road condition, or some other factor?
W.G.

On Apr 24, 2007, at 11:35 PM, calvinlc at earthlink.net wrote:

> W.G. - the AWD thing, in my opinion, is just simply the response
> time of the
> torsen and the 50/50 natural state of the drivetrain.  The problem
> really is
> that metro Denver has the worst damn roads I have ever driven on
> when it
> snows any appreciable amount...much worse than Minnesota, for
> instance...even worse than the mountain areas in Colorado.  This
> really is
> the only reason I ever switched from all rear wheel drive stuff to
> start
> with.  Kind of the sacrifice for living here I guess :)
> --Calvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W.G. Giles [mailto:sportquattros1 at mac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:54 AM
> To: calvinlc at earthlink.net
> Cc: QSHIPQ at aol.com; audiurs4 at mailforce.net; pmische at comcast.net;
> pkrasusky at ups.com; s-car-list at audifans.com; ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)
>
>
> I have a few more thoughts.
> 1. I am sure there are maintenance and reliability issues with the
> Volvo just like the S cars, nothing is perfect.
> 2. As for the AWD system being worse then the Audi some do not like
> it but it worked well for me. (driver is everything)
> 3. I am not sure about the size shrinking on the R-V series Volvo
> looks to be the same size as the S4-S6 cars to me.
> 4. Newer S4 TT is a great car but it is to small for my needs in
> sedan form and the wagon is useless for my hauling needs.
> 5. As for the dealerships I can only say that the only good new car
> dealer near me is the Subaru dealer all others suck and I have owned
> may new
>      cars foreign and domestic.
> 6. I have seen a factory body (looked factory) kit for the S60R and
> it is low so maybe that is what is making that car scrape.
>
> I do feel that my personal preference is Audi (95 S6 and 200 20v)
> over many other cars, but if I had to replace the S6 I would get a
> S60R or on  a different note maybe I get a V8 M5 and just drive the
> 200 20v in the winter.
> W.G.
>
> On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:07 AM, calvinlc at earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> Volvo problem #1 - All Wheel Drive system sucks compared to
>> Audi's....I have
>> driven the V70R, in both it's current and predecessor version only
>> available
>> with the slushbox...both AWDs were on par with the standard old mitsu
>> viscous coupling stuff....same cars I drove around during our
>> December
>> snowstorms here in Denver because they were stuck.
>>
>> Volvo problem #2 - the cars keep shrinking!  The V70R used to be
>> very much
>> on par with a Urs6 avant...not anymore, now it's more like the B5
>> S4...not
>> quite that small but not much bigger.  I know, for some that may be
>> attractive as it improves the handling, but for those of us who
>> like to
>> carry adult passengers in the back without them sucking knee all
>> the way to
>> the destination it kind of stinks.
>>
>> Volvo problem #3 - The dealerships, at least in Denver, make you
>> think that
>> you are test driving a Lamborghini with the way they treat their
>> beloved R
>> cars....I have come close to telling them "The damn thing costs
>> less than a
>> Yukon, give me the keys snob boy; besides the thing isn't nearly as
>> fast as
>> the cars I already own."
>>
>> the Volvo R cars come close to doing all things "piglike," but
>> still fall
>> short on the aforementioned points 1 & 2.  The Subaru B-specs come
>> close as
>> well, but still fall short in AWD capability and interior fit and
>> finish.
>>
>> --Calvin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of QSHIPQ at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:45 AM
>> To: audiurs4 at mailforce.net; pmische at comcast.net; pkrasusky at ups.com;
>> s-car-list at audifans.com; ingo.rautenberg at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Worthy projects (was Alum..was UrS $)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, I'm used to that, my GLH turbo couldn't turn a U'ey well, cost
>> me a
>> ticket trying it in Chicago and a couple of autox trophies on
>> courses  laid
>> out
>> by CRX CSP drivers.    A known problem with transverse motors  with
>> monster
>> rubber on them.  I learned to use the handbrake better.   I might
>> argue he
>> may be
>> just turning around to see where you went to?
>>
>> I'd rather see a full test drive report.  Turning radius so  noted.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> SJ
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/23/2007 10:40:36 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> audiurs4 at mailforce.net writes:
>>
>> Check  out the turning radius on the Volvo S60R. A friend of mine
>> has one
>> and he  regrets buying it for this alone.  It's very annoying.
>> It's hard
>> to park in between two cars in a parking lot or ramp and forget about
>> making a u-turn on anything less than a 6 lane divided road without
>> using reverse. Even then it would be tight.  Even my battleship of a
>> URS4 can u-turn at most  intersections.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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