Yeah, I wasn't used to the torque and I stayed in it even after the wheels broke loose. Try driving a 20v NA motor with quattro for years then jump into a M powered rwd. Its a bit different...(and I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed) Kase Taka Mizutani wrote: > > > Spinning in the rain while going straight, Dave? WTF? :-) > > > > Taka