[s-cars] Quattro.... there is no substitute - just add JNR

[pkrasusky at ups.com]

//Sssssssssooo...  tell us more tell us more, 'o Peter, about 'some' RS4
foray a 'wee bit' ahem 'off course', if you would, at said event...

And yes, ESP can be *criminally dangerous* for "our" driving styles
(careful I just lumped the you's and the me's into "our" muwahaha) -
first thing I kneejerkdo when I ready to do such activity is slap that
sucker OFF, thankfully it's right in front of your 2:00 hand to whack
at.  

Throttle cutting, terminal understeer, etc., are not your friends in
those moments, uh huh.

-Paul 
'01 //S8 mit ESP - ebrake slides feel like Formula Drifting the Titanic
and somehow feels Newtonian in its "what goes in motion stays in motion"
attitude 



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Golledge [mailto:petergolledge at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 9:54 AM
To: 'Taka Mizutani'; Krasusky Paul (WQQ2PXK)
Cc: wmahoney at disk.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Quattro.... there is no substitute - just add JNR

Taka,

Drove an RS4 at the Bridgestone course in Steamboat (Grippe-Q).  I found
the
ESP fought with me on any spirited driving, sometimes under steering
sometimes just applying the brakes to a wheel when we were nowhere near
limits.  Once I had ESP off the difference is remarkable... Still not
enough
feedback for my liking though.  Wont be trading the LT-1Q on an RS4 for
snow
driving any time soon. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Taka Mizutani
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 4:41 AM
To: pkrasusky at ups.com
Cc: wmahoney at disk.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Quattro.... there is no substitute - just add JNR

Can any of you nuts that has a late-model Audi w/ ESP tell me how the
ESP
does in the snow?

Does it cause the car to terminally understeer to the point of not being
able to turn?

I've experienced this a few times in the Volvo where the DSTC is
interfering
so much that I can't turn at a decent speed in the loose stuff. I can't
figure out how to turn it off completely w/o reading the manual- it was
supposed to be hit the button 7 times, but that doesn't work.

With quattro, ESP is too much of a killjoy, I'd think- being able to go
in a
little hot, countersteer and give it a lot of gas is part of the fun of
driving quattro in the snow.
I wouldn't recommend trying
this on public roads, though. :-)

Taka