[s-cars] Rule number 3, don't be a schmuck.

Tue Jan 16 10:49:35 EST 2007

Darin,

I haven't really said anything about this issue, but in reading the
"guidelines" I have a question.

#3 paraphrased states "Do not join the list to sell your stuff; if you do
you will get banned."  It leaves a little vagueness when it comes to
established members.

So in reading #3 I get this interpretation....

If you happen to be a list regular, or member in good standing, a posting
that says "Hey, all my list brethren, I have some stuff I put on the
marketplace you might want.  This is what I am trying to get rid of, just an
FYI".  I understand that the list is not a place to post for sale classified
ads, but a respectful heads up seems within the letter of the law.  Can you
clarify?

Thanks,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Darin Nederhoff
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:28 AM
To: calvinlc at earthlink.net
Cc: Ron Wainwright; s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: Re: [s-cars] for sale stuff

Since you asked, I am the day-to-day list admin for you guys.
If there is any question on the matter, see the top of the first page
regarding this list.
http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list
"Also, please refrain from posting classified ads or other promotional
materials on the list. Classifieds should be posted within the
marketplace or S-CAR Classifieds at s-cars.org"

And now for your reading enjoyment I present a review of the list
guidelines which have been in place since.... well, since the first
Pizzo joke was ever posted.  (A long time folks!)

Private User List Guidelines:

We welcome all Audi owners and enthusiast to join in the discussion on
the mailing lists but we do ask for your cooperation with the
following guidelines.

1. Be kind to others.  Mutual respect for other Audi enthusiasts goes
a long way to keep the peace on the list.  When debates get started on
the list don't resort to personal attacks or adolescent name calling.
Doing so may result in suspension of posting abilities.  As an old
song lyric says, "Act your age, not your shoe size."  We try to let
the list be self moderating without moderator intervention, but if you
can't control yourself we might step in and do it for you... you don't
want that.

2. Watch your language.  The lists are deemed 'family friendly' and we
strive to keep it that way.  Your post might be flagged for rejection
if it contains excessive profanity.

3. No spam... please!  Please do not join our lists in order to sell
your car or other S-Car parts or for other promotional purposes.
We're not a classified/press release mailing list. If you join a list
and immediately send out a classified ad post for your car or other
promo you'll be banned).
Both the Audifans.com and S-Cars.org sites operate dedicated
classified areas for this very purpose and they are both free of
charge.

4. You are solely responsible for your words.  In other words, if you
say something that lands you in legal trouble with a vendor, you are
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you say something stupid we can't always throw you a life preserver.
The old line, think before you speak (or type) works well here.

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Then simply point other users to that location.  You'll need an S-CARS
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Enjoy!

There you have it.  Sorry I wasn't able to chime in sooner but I'm
just catching up after roughly a week in an alternate universe (or
something like that).   Yeah, I had sort of let a lot of the
classified ads slip under my radar simply due to the fact that if I
were to email every person that posted one it would invariably turn
into a big back and forth debate on the matter.  Some people don't
like rules so they follow their own, some people download copyrighted
MP3s and think that is legal too.

I try to intervene as little as possible on this list because I think
for the most part you guys do a nice job of self policing.  Do I mind
the ad posts?  Not so much to be honest.  I do however try to honor
the wishes of our list host Dan (and Brett) who does not want ads
posted on their list.  Now, if you happen to be taking part in a topic
on the list and in a P.S. you were to briefly mention "P.S. - I have
an AAN engine for sale in the marketplace/s-car classifieds" along
with a URL to the ad I wouldn't freak out about it.  Perhaps we could
make ads legal one day a week (such as Friday since we're usually all
nuts by then anyhow).  As for now though, the official stance is that
outright ad postings are not encouraged.

PLEASE try to use one or both of the following instead...

Audifans marketplace:  http://www.audifans.com/marketplace/browse.php
or
S-CAR Classifieds:
http://www.s-cars.org/postnuke/modules.php?op=modload&name=zClassifieds&file
=index

Thanks guys,

Darin

On 1/15/07, calvinlc at earthlink.net <calvinlc at earthlink.net> wrote:
> My humble observations are that things pop up for sale from time to time
and
> nobody says anything....and then once every 6 months or so somebody
decides
> to spark the same debate again.  I like the live and let live idea.  If
the
> moderators/list operators want to squash something I am sure they can do
it
> without any help from us.  If not, then carry on :)
>
> This is very similar to another forum I belong to that will not let you
post
> pricing on any of the items discussed.....haven't figured out the harm in
> it, but everyone seems to respect it, with a few exceptions every now and
> then, and usually no harm no foul on the exceptions.
>
> Just my .02.....I don't have anything to sell or trade...well at least
that
> is Audi related.
>
> --Calvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Ron Wainwright
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:48 PM
> To: mike at urq20v.com
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] for sale stuff
>
>
>
> I don't disagree..Brett sometimes posts mindless
> dribble..but Dan made him his 2nd in charge..again I
> think you all should bother Dan if it's a problem
> following rules.
>
>  & talking bout who administers this list...who is
> he/she(politically correct)..wonder what that person
> thinks?????
>
> & I know of a bunch of listers who have sold..or don't
> have an //scar who post on the ..scar list..yours
> truly included :-)
>
> Maybe Pizzo...or PK...or Tom M..need to stop posting
> if that's your way of thinking..cause they don't own
> an //s4/6 anymore aether??!!
>
> I just think there are other solutions to the question
> at hand..& I suppose Quattrohead has taken care of
> some of every ones concerns.
>
>  Ron Not Mit //scar..but I got an //s4 motor..can I
> play??!!
>
> --- mike at urq20v.com wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> I think Brett has single handedly caused more useless
> bandwidth than all of the f/s posts combined and the
> last I checked he is not the admin for this list or
> even own an S-car for that matter.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] for sale stuff
> From: Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, January 15, 2007 3:06 pm
> To: Quattrohead <quattrohead at quattrohead.com>
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>
> Hey Quattrohead...I don't think your suggestion is
> reasonable..all though a nice gesture.
>
> I think the administrators of each & every Audifans
> list should GTG & see what can be done as to not add
> to the amazing BW all these lists generate.
>
> But again...I think if any/all of you have a problem
> with the rules than you should bother Dan..I mean he
> is the owner of all this help full info!
>
> Ron
> 90 CQ 2.6l 20vt 600whp stroker project
> 91 v8q 5spd DTM project
> 91 200 20v
> 93 v8q 4.2 "The Green Monster"
> 93 v8q 4.2 parts for DTM project
>
> 90 v8q 3.6 not stock..Urs8 gone but not forgotten :-(
>
> --- Quattrohead <quattrohead at quattrohead.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>    I am sorry,
>
> I don't think anyone who owns an s-car needs to be
> ordered around by anad hitler.
>
> If anyone wants to have a separate forum for the
> s-cars, let me knowhere or via my email. I can set one
> up real quick under my quattroheaddomain.
>
> Eric Phillips wrote:
> On 1/15/07, Ron Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:42:45 -0800From: "Eric
> Phillips" <gcmschemist at gmail.com>Subject: Re: [s-cars]
> for sale stuff
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:05:47 -0800 (PST)From: Ron
> Wainwright <ron_01056 at yahoo.com>Subject: Re: [s-cars]
> for sale stuffListers, I think this subject has been
> HASHED out
>
> WAY
>
> too many times....I know that one can go both ways
>
>
> on
>
> this. But the fact of the matter is that FS
> postsaren't allowed!
>
> It has been hashed out a few times.  I think ahealthy
> dose of liveand let live needs to be inserted, and I
> think thereasons I'vearticulated for my disagreement
> with this particularrule arereasonable and moderate.
>
>
> Zero-tolerance policies are set such that nobody hasto
> think.  Rulesare rules and that's it.
>
> I don't think anybody is yelling at Brett, nor am
> Iyelling at you,for that matter.  I figure if we can
> havediscussions about non-SAudis, then we can
> certainly trade parts.  Maybethat would be
> thesolution.  Parts for "trade".
>
> I offer my 1993.5 UrS late-VIN driver's-side widgetfor
> trade.  Youcontact me off-list, and we work out
> exactly whatthe trade would be.Let's say we work out
> the trade to be I give you thehighly-desireablewidget,
> and you give me 375.23 United States Dollars.
>
> It's not FS, so it's not against the rules, right?
>
>
> Everybody's happy, and no spam was actually sent toany
> list.
>
> What say you, boys?
>
> Eric
>
> Eric I love your reasoning don't get me wrong...I
> aswell have a "widget FS"..said "widget" is the heart
> ofany car..& the "widget" runs STRONG & for
> $2,200United States Dollars it could be any ones
> aswell...but again..FS ads have a place.
>
> LMAO!  Good one.
>
> I do think that the marketplace is a wonder
> fullresource..but a quick heads up on the list that
> wouldneed the part the most wouldn't be bad
> either..butagain see rule 1..(so to speak) FS ads
> aren't allowedon the lists..only in the marketplace.
>
>
> OK, for trade.  Except that only gets around the
> letter of the law,and not the spirit.
>
> I don't think the powers that be have gotten
> enoughcredit for what they do! I've been a lister for
> round15yrs now & have seen all types of discussion &
> thisone is brought up more than a "team door
> handle"topic.
>
> I there's a reason for it.  There are folks like me
> who have aninterest in not making any sort of profit,
> but in making sure myfriends on the list have first
> crack at my stuff.  I think that whathappens is that
> there are those folks who don't want to have to
> thinkabout what situation is acceptable, and what
> isn't.  So a total ban isput in place.  My solution
> would be to enforce it selectively, becausethere are
> obviously a wide range of opinions on what should and
> shouldnot be allowed.
>
> & as you mentioned I'm not casting a shadow on
> you..oranyone..or talking down...or YELLING at
> anyone.......but just like anyone of you out there
> tell yourkids that there are certain rules that we
> need tofollow as a society I think it's a bit of the
> potcalling the kettle Black syndrome for us grown
> adultsto contradict what we try to teach our
> children..
>
> I tell my kids that rules are sometimes colored in
> grey, and not soblack-and-white.  Some rules must
> never be broken.  Some rules may bebroken at great
> need.  And some rules exist only for the ego of
> therulemakers and can be safely ignored**.  As a
> parent, I have toinstill proper judgement such that my
> kids can tell which rules arewhich, and which ones
> might be colored in between the shades I havedrawn in
> here.  Even around the house, there are such rules -
> like"never, EVER touch Daddy's tools.  If you need a
> tool, Daddy witheither get you your own tool, or
> fix/install the thing that needsdoing.  Even the wife
> knows (now) to obey that rule.  The rule "don'tdrink
> Daddy's last soda" is routinely ignored.  :)**(Note:
> the no FS postings list rule is *NOT* an ego-driven
> one,IMO.  Let me be PERFECTLY CLEAR on that!)I'm still
> pulling for the "for trade, contact me off-list" kind
> ofdeal, where widget trades might be initated for, oh,
> $327.23 worth ofStarbucks common stock, for instance.
> ;)BTW, if I had a CQ, I'd love to trade for your
> widget.  I need an S2.
> :)Eric_______________________________________________S-CAR-List
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