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Fri Jul 20 10:59:52 EDT 2007
Larry
All good points, though I've installed that RS2 bracket, and find "infinite"
life to be optimistic thinking. That thing will flex, no question. The
best one I've seen in steel was the one's Dave Jones had made up in steel for
the 16in wheel applications.
Aluminum finite life can be extensive if it's not 'overmachined' , a lot of
what I read into your post. If you look at the size of the blocks Carl and I
used, they are massive chunks of aluminum with rounded notches for the hub
and the lower mounting tab, otherwise it's a billet block of aluminum pretty
high up on the temper list (don't recall the number off the top of my head).
I've had an aircraft parts machinist quote the part, and he was impressed at
the beef. In retrospect, I see the problems with the ECS kit, and think thank
goodness Carl and I were too dumb to make things look pretty. That said,
it's a race part of aluminum, and all car parts should be considered finite
life IMO, even steel, especially where exposed to such massive heat cycling as
on brakes. I also believe that someone quoted a high caliper mounting spec
like 90ft/lbs. I'd be very careful with this, since once heat cycled the bolt
will no longer stretch, and it will then pull out the threads in the
aluminum, or certainly stress the aluminum. IIRC porsche spec on that caliper
mounting is in the 53lb/ft range. Regardless, use loctite blue to prevent galling
and possible stress points on reinstall.
I would also suspect that a less beefy carrier will have flex in it, not a
good property of aluminum. There is a lot of flexing forces on/in a Big Red
at full grab.
Carl and I did enough extras to get ours for free. Then we both took an
exit and let the sharks hit the pool. Now that we are several years past, I
encourage everyone to inspect their parts regularly, and go for A8 rotors as a
replacement when the hats show signs of failure. To date, the blocks seem to
be holding up fine 12 years post install. Thankful for that, can't imagine
what must be going thru the minds of the boys at ECS.
SJ
In a message dated 7/20/2007 9:24:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
larrycleung at gmail.com writes:
Steel can be designed for "infinite life", although such a part is heavier
than if it was not designed for it. There are many factors including shape,
expected stresses, preloads of bolts, stress factors such as bolt holes, etc.
used in designing for such. Stress reliefs include rounding of sharp surfaces,
round rather than shaped holes, etc. Doin these adds
to the cost of parts, due to the added labor to round things, etc. Threads
are stress risers, in general.
There is NO WAY (at least within the engineering education I received, to do
so for aluminum. You can overdesign to a specific no. of cycles, called
"finite life", but never
for infinite. This is the reason that airframes on airplanes are carefully
tracked for #hrs of operation, and parts that appear perfectly fine are
replaced. I have often wondered how
those mfgs of cars with aluminum suspension components (which includes my
Saabaru)
deal with the potential liability, since most cars last varied periods,
undergo much more
varied levels of stress, and cars aren't inspected in the proper method (dye
check or
X-ray analysis) for their alloy suspension components. As far as I know,
this is the only
way to catch minor cracking prior to the stress cracks becoming
catastrophic. This is what we used when I was in the Nuclear Power industry for ALL sorts
of alloys, both Aluminum and steel based. Of course the risk of failure
there was much more critical than the loss of control of one persons car, so the
expenditure was justifiable.
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