[s-cars] UPDATE 2 - Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd!

[Fred Munro]

Hi JR;

Yes, if the clutch is not fully disengaging it will be very difficult to
impossible to shift into gear without rev matching (i.e. clutchless
shifting). The synchros will be trying to match shaft speeds and will have a
hard time of it against the engine torque and rotational speed. They are
only designed to work against the mass of the freewheeling shafts. If it is
the clutch, it must be almost completely disengaged or you would grind the
gears when you shift. In addition, you should be able to shift easily with
the car and engine stopped if the clutch is causing your problem. I have had
two fingers break on a pressure plate that caused the clutch to drag, but it
had so much drag I had to shift without the clutch to drive the car home.

Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: JR [mailto:audiurs4 at mailforce.net]
Sent: June 7, 2007 1:28 AM
To: Fred Munro
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Subject: UPDATE 2 - Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd!


It's funny you should mention this.  I pushed hard and it went into 1st
and now 1st is working fine.  Everything now works but 2nd gear.  2nd is
sort of back.  When I pull very hard down to 2nd I don't feel or hear
the click of it going into gear, but when I let the clutch out I'm in
2nd.  I notice that when the car is off and I'm not even using the
clutch, the gears change easier than when I start the car and shift with
the clutch down.  I noticed the smell of slipping clutch after a short
drive.  Would a clutch that isn't fully disengaging cause these problems?

JR



Fred Munro wrote:
> Something like this happened to a UrS6 at the Sundridge ice race several
> years ago. We were running ice drags and the UrS6 got locked in second
> during one run. We had a heck of a time getting it out of second gear and
> then it was very difficult to shift first and second (difficult meaning it
> took tremendous force to get it in or out of gear). All other gears
shifted
> fine. He took it to a shop and the linkage was fine. He kept driving it
and
> it shifted easier and easier until a few months later it was back to
normal.
> We used to kid him that his car had the rare self-healing option. Must
have
> been something in the tranny that didn't like being slammed through the
> gears at high RPM and high wheelspin. Go figure.
>
> Fred Munro
> '97 S6
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Eric Renneisen
> Sent: June 2, 2007 9:35 PM
> To: 'JR'; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] UPDATE - Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd!
>
>
> Nothing looks bad in your pic, but the linkage bits that folks are
> questioning are in the tunnel.  A lift helps greatly, as does
> exhaust/heatshield removal.  On mine, I could put my hand on the lever
> at the tranny and get it into every gear but 1 and 2, so that ruled out
> the linkage.
>
> I could actually get it into 2nd using the shifter in the car, but it
> took hurculean effort (needed assistance from my legs).  Also required
> same force to get out of 2nd.  Never tried it again after that.  I was
> stunned that the shifter didn't break off in my hand.
>
> Get under the car and check the linkage.  The apikol PDF posted before
> has some pics that'll help you.  I really hope you find a loose bolt or
> worn bushing down there...
>
> Eric R.
> '86 urq
> '93 urS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of 'JR'
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 12:19 AM
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] UPDATE - Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd!
>
>
> I have more info.  I posted it on the Audiworld Forums so I could
> include a picture.  Check it out at:
>
> http://forums.audiworld.com/s4s6/msgs/174917.phtml
>
> Thanks,
>
> JR
>
>
> Peter Golledge wrote:
>
>> JR,
>>
>> I'd check the linkage in trans tunnel.  In my 95 S6 the bolt on the
>> coupling worked loose.  13mm on an extension can get to it from under
>> the car.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of JR
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:55 PM
>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: [s-cars] Help - Can't shift into 1st or 2nd!
>>
>> It happened all of a sudden with no warning.  Stopped at a light an
>> then couldn't get the car into 1st or second.  Had to drive from 3rd
>> gear to limp home.  Reverse, 3rd, 4th and 5th work fine.  I can't even
>>
>
>
>> move the shifter in the positions that 1st and 2nd occupy.  It's like
>> something is blocking it.  Anyone run into this before?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> JR
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