[s-cars] NAC - Why is manual and full-time 4wd or AWD mutuallyexclusive ...

[Edward]

So perhaps the end-game take-away here is either its BS marketing, or that
autos are so much better now that there's no reason to buy one?  Call me old
fashioned but I *like* switching gears.  Also like being able to push-start
when I leave lights on in the middle of no where (though my S6 failed me on
this one as I couldn't push start it when said battery is DEAD after being
left for a few days with the lights on).  I do also feel that autos are more
fragile and a wee bit expensive to fix when compared with their manual
counterparts.

Have things changed that much in the last few years, or is it more an issue
of the average consumer not caring?

Ed

On 6/27/07, calvinlc at earthlink.net <calvinlc at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I was going to mention the fact that the 4-runner does have a torsen
> center
> differential.  Go here for some data on different types of AWD systems:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_wheel_drive
>
> --Calvin
>
>
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> To: t44tqtro at gmail.com; audi.ed at gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC - Why is manual and full-time 4wd or AWD
> mutuallyexclusive ...
>
>
> Even better with the 93-97 FZJ80 Landcruiser chassis Taka, with ABS,  you
> get
> a VC center *with* an electric locker over the center  diff.  I'll also
> note
> that the 4 runner and the new FJ both use torsen  center WITH locking
> ability.
> The 80 sports full floating solid axles, and  it rides better than most
> independent front axle trucks.  Add 4  piston front calipers from the
> factory, and
> a silky 4.5L DOHC I6, it's a good  ride.  Add the TRD supercharger, it's
> just
> a hoot
>
> You can't get the HDJ80 (FJ 80 with diesel and manual) for the states, but
> the locking front center and rear diff option was available on the gas 80
> as
> well (I don't have it myself, don't think it needs it).  MLP can give you
> the
> perspective of the 80 with blizzacks and supercharger
> at  Steamboat.  Mother
> of Miss Piggy, it could chase any quattro down  at Steamboat without
> missing
> the audio portion of the LT1Q chase  video.
>
> Manual shifting awd trucks have given way to much beefier autoboxes, sport
> shift mode and 6spd autos.  I know sport mode in my truck will take you
> right
> to redline and bang the next gear without neck snapping between  shifts.
>
> Scott Justusson
> 94 Supercharged FJ80
> A couple Turbo quattros
> 1 91 v8 quattro
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2007 6:28:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> t44tqtro at gmail.com writes:
> Not to say that you can't have a proper AWD SUV  with a manual- the FJ80
> Landcruisers had a manual with the turbodiesel  outside of the US and
> they're
> full-time AWD with lockable center and rear  diffs, some even had lockable
> front diffs.
>
>
>
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