[s-cars] my '92 failed smog
Bill Noland
wenoland at pacbell.net
Fri Apr 11 07:01:17 PDT 2008
After squeaking by the HC limit by a point a few years back, I did quite a
bit of research on this. BTW, this wasn't a problem with my UrS, but a low
mileage WMB M Roadster (go figure). The UrS always passed with flying
colors.
A few things that seemed to help lower the HC reading were an oil change
(reportedly, this makes a big difference), some high speed, extended driving
(or blowing the crap out aka italian tune up) and a number of people
reported excellent results with BG 44K (see link below). I'm not a real
believer in snake oils, but there might well be something to the BG 44K
claims. People seem to have good results with the product.
http://www.bgprod.com/products/fuelair.html
Bill Noland
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> 1. Re: S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
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> 2. Re: my '92 failed smog (Theodore Chen)
> 3. Re: my '92 failed smog (Theodore Chen)
> 4. Re: S8 For Sale ... just passing along ... (Douglas Landaeta)
> 5. Re: my '92 failed smog (Mark Strangways)
> 6. Re: OEM HID headlights (Lee Levitt)
> 7. Re: E36 ///M3 *no more callers please*... (pkrasusky at ups.com)
> 8. Re: E36 stick sedan (Taka Mizutani)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:54:40 -0400
> From: hmarcnguyen at netscape.net
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
> To: mpollan1 at aim.com, s-car-list at audifans.com, 20v at audifans.com,
> es2 at audifans.com
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> I really have no idea what the going price for the S8s are, but regarding
> the t/b service he mentioned that it was done because the thermostat was
> bad and while there he just did it all.
>
> Marc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Pollan <mpollan1 at aol.com>
> To: hmarcnguyen at netscape.net; s-car-list at audifans.com; 20v at audifans.com;
> es2 at audifans.com
> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 5:38 pm
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
>
>
>
> Interesting price point Marc. I now you have nothing to do with it or him
> but the price on //S8s really has tanked. I bought my '03 //S8
> (Ming/Platinum same as Mr. Butler's) with 62K miles and an extended
> warranty
> (albeit only until 1/2009) for $26K. Timing belt service if done by the
> book based on miles is way premature. Book specs 105K miles. Would
> certainly be a question prospective buyers should ask.
>
> Mark
>
> P.S. These are going for high teens to low 20s now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of
> hmarcnguyen at netscape.net
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:13 PM
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com; 20v at audifans.com; es2 at audifans.com
> Subject: [s-cars] S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
>
> All,
>
> Been meaning to pass this along.? The gentleman I bought my former '93
> urS4
> from back in 1998 recently contacted me saying he's selling his current
> ride.? The info I have is below.? I have never seen the car and have no
> other interest in it?besides hoping it?goes to a good home.? I can say
> that
> when I bought the urS from him it was in excellent condition, well
> maintained, and pretty well pampered (i.e. garaged, washed/waxed
> regularly).
>
> 2003 S8, "Audi Exclusive" model.?Ming Blue with?silver gray seats and
> black
> carpet.? 61k miles with?Audi Platinum extended warranty good until?April
> 2011 or 95k miles.??Timing belt, thermostat, and?"accompanying?equipment"
> recently replaced.? 60k service?done.? Asking $30k with warranty, $28k
> without.? Contact Bob Butler at 410-771-1511 or MNBButler at aol.com.
>
> Marc
> ?
>
> ??
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
> To: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <666580.13268.qm at web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> i replaced the O2 sensor with a generic bosch sensor in january 2006,
> about 30k miles ago. could the replacement have failed already? the
> check engine light isn't on and i haven't seen it go on, but i'll check
> the codes.
>
> the HC at idle is 211, and at 2500 rpm it's 68. if it's an ignition
> problem, wouldn't the HC be higher at 2500 rpm? also, the engine seems to
> be running smoothly.
>
> after getting home from work, i left the engine running and checked the
> exhaust manifold with an infrared pyrometer that has a laser sight. i
> took multiple readings of each cylinder runner, about an inch from the
> head (a bit tricky to do because there's not a lot of space). all of them
> read in the 500+ degree range (#3 was the hottest at 570 degrees), except
> for the #1 cylinder at the front of the engine, which read 460 degrees. i
> don't know if this is normal. any ideas?
>
> vacuum leak is possible, but the oxygen levels are very low. a vacuum
> leak would create a lean misfire, and i would expect to see a lot of
> excess oxygen. right?
>
> -teddy
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kent McLean <kentmclean at comcast.net>
> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 4:03:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
>
> Theodore Chen wrote:
>> here are the numbers:
>> idle (792 rpm) CO2 14.3% O2 0.70%, HC 211ppm (max 120) CO 0.11% (max
>> 1.00)
>> 2512 rpm CO2 14.4% O2 0.40% HC 68ppm (max 140) CO 0.32% (max 1.00)
>
> Googling: emissions "high hc"
> yields these links:
>
> http://www.nichols.nu/tip517.htm
> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Toyota-Repair-832/Failed-Calif-Emissions-HC.htm
> http://autotechrepair.suite101.com/article.cfm/a_question_about_a_question
>
> They seem to agree on incomplete combustion due to a misfire, and to
> check everything in the ignition system - plugs, wires, etc., including
> the O2 sensor. My Audi specific guess would be a POS starting to fail.
>
> Another point they make is a too-lean mixture caused by a vacuum leak,
> so check all your hoses.
>
> Pulling the DTC codes wouldn't hurt, either.
>
> --
> Kent McLean
> '99 A4 Avant, w/ quattro, V6, Tiptronic, :)
> '91 200 TQA #1, backup car
> gone but not forgotten:
> '94 100 S Avant, "Moody", now with new owner
> '91 200 TQA #2, up in smoke 2
> '89 200 TQ, "Bad Puppy", up in smoke
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
> To: Sean Douglas <s_douglas at telus.net>, s-car-list at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <24108.28326.qm at web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> does oil really make that much of a difference? my car has 7k miles on
> the current oil fill (topped off twice, for a total of 2 quarts added) and
> i was planning on changing it soon.
>
> how much did your smog readings change after you changed the oil?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Sean Douglas <s_douglas at telus.net>
> To: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>; s-car-list at audifans.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 7:37:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
>
> Teddy:
>
> Before you go digging, try changing the oil. I failed on my 90q 20V and
> after chnaging the oil, I ran it through again and the numbers dropped 3
> fold.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sean
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Theodore Chen
>> Sent: April 8, 2008 10:53 PM
>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Subject: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
>>
>> here are the numbers:
>> idle (792 rpm) CO2 14.3% O2 0.70%, HC 211ppm (max 120) CO
>> 0.11% (max 1.00)
>> 2512 rpm CO2 14.4% O2 0.40% HC 68ppm (max 140) CO 0.32% (max 1.00)
>>
>> there aren't any numbers here for NOx.
>>
>> two years ago, it passed easily:
>> idle (1004 rpm) CO2 14.6% O2 0.5% HC 66ppm (max 120) CO 0.00%
>> (max 1.00) 2550 rpm CO2 14.9% O2 0.0% HC 3ppm (max 140) CO
>> 0.00% (max 1.00)
>>
>> the turbo was changed during that time, to a GT2871 hybrid.
>> however, the software and injectors are the same as before,
>> and so is the induction system (still using stock airbox). i
>> can't see that change causing the jump in HC.
>>
>> any ideas?
>>
>> i thought it might be the catalytic converter, but the O2
>> numbers seem pretty low. doesn't seem like there's a lot of
>> extra oxygen for the cat to use in converting the unburned HC.
>>
>> -teddy
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:15:24 -0700
> From: "Douglas Landaeta" <dlandaeta at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
> To: hmarcnguyen at netscape.net
> Cc: mpollan1 at aim.com, 20v at audifans.com, es2 at audifans.com,
> s-car-list at audifans.com
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> Just wondering, what are the 'known' issues with these S8's.
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:54 PM, <hmarcnguyen at netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> I really have no idea what the going price for the S8s are, but regarding
>> the t/b service he mentioned that it was done because the thermostat was
>> bad
>> and while there he just did it all.
>>
>> Marc
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Pollan <mpollan1 at aol.com>
>> To: hmarcnguyen at netscape.net; s-car-list at audifans.com; 20v at audifans.com;
>> es2 at audifans.com
>> Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 5:38 pm
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting price point Marc. I now you have nothing to do with it or
>> him
>> but the price on //S8s really has tanked. I bought my '03 //S8
>> (Ming/Platinum same as Mr. Butler's) with 62K miles and an extended
>> warranty
>> (albeit only until 1/2009) for $26K. Timing belt service if done by the
>> book based on miles is way premature. Book specs 105K miles. Would
>> certainly be a question prospective buyers should ask.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> P.S. These are going for high teens to low 20s now.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of
>> hmarcnguyen at netscape.net
>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:13 PM
>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com; 20v at audifans.com; es2 at audifans.com
>> Subject: [s-cars] S8 For Sale ... just passing along ...
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Been meaning to pass this along.? The gentleman I bought my former '93
>> urS4
>> from back in 1998 recently contacted me saying he's selling his current
>> ride.? The info I have is below.? I have never seen the car and have no
>> other interest in it?besides hoping it?goes to a good home.? I can say
>> that
>> when I bought the urS from him it was in excellent condition, well
>> maintained, and pretty well pampered (i.e. garaged, washed/waxed
>> regularly).
>>
>> 2003 S8, "Audi Exclusive" model.?Ming Blue with?silver gray seats and
>> black
>> carpet.? 61k miles with?Audi Platinum extended warranty good until?April
>> 2011 or 95k miles.??Timing belt, thermostat, and?"accompanying?equipment"
>> recently replaced.? 60k service?done.? Asking $30k with warranty, $28k
>> without.? Contact Bob Butler at 410-771-1511 or MNBButler at aol.com.
>>
>> Marc
>> ?
>>
>> ??
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:53:27 -0400
> From: "Mark Strangways" <StrangConst at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
> To: "Theodore Chen" <tedebearp at yahoo.com>, "Sean Douglas"
> <s_douglas at telus.net>, <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <047201c89bb9$e49deff0$0c00000a at strangwaysgroup>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Oil makes a big difference.
>
> HC's build up in used engine oil.
> At 7,000 Miles it doesn't owe you anything and changing it *should* help
> your smog tests.
>
> Mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Theodore Chen" <tedebearp at yahoo.com>
> To: "Sean Douglas" <s_douglas at telus.net>; <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
>
>
>> does oil really make that much of a difference? my car has 7k miles on
>> the current oil fill (topped off twice, for a total of 2 quarts added)
>> and
>> i was planning on changing it soon.
>>
>> how much did your smog readings change after you changed the oil?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Sean Douglas <s_douglas at telus.net>
>> To: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>; s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 7:37:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
>>
>> Teddy:
>>
>> Before you go digging, try changing the oil. I failed on my 90q 20V and
>> after chnaging the oil, I ran it through again and the numbers dropped 3
>> fold.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Theodore Chen
>>> Sent: April 8, 2008 10:53 PM
>>> To: s-car-list at audifans.com
>>> Subject: [s-cars] my '92 failed smog
>>>
>>> here are the numbers:
>>> idle (792 rpm) CO2 14.3% O2 0.70%, HC 211ppm (max 120) CO
>>> 0.11% (max 1.00)
>>> 2512 rpm CO2 14.4% O2 0.40% HC 68ppm (max 140) CO 0.32% (max 1.00)
>>>
>>> there aren't any numbers here for NOx.
>>>
>>> two years ago, it passed easily:
>>> idle (1004 rpm) CO2 14.6% O2 0.5% HC 66ppm (max 120) CO 0.00%
>>> (max 1.00) 2550 rpm CO2 14.9% O2 0.0% HC 3ppm (max 140) CO
>>> 0.00% (max 1.00)
>>>
>>> the turbo was changed during that time, to a GT2871 hybrid.
>>> however, the software and injectors are the same as before,
>>> and so is the induction system (still using stock airbox). i
>>> can't see that change causing the jump in HC.
>>>
>>> any ideas?
>>>
>>> i thought it might be the catalytic converter, but the O2
>>> numbers seem pretty low. doesn't seem like there's a lot of
>>> extra oxygen for the cat to use in converting the unburned HC.
>>>
>>> -teddy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> S-CAR-List mailing list
>>> S-CAR-List at audifans.com
>>> http://www.audifans.com/mailman/listinfo/s-car-list
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:49:41 -0400
> From: Lee Levitt <lee at wheelman.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] OEM HID headlights
> To: "Fred Munro" <munrof at sympatico.ca>,<Mtgadbois at aol.com>,
> <s_douglas at telus.net>,<s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <20080411104948.BEBC8FBC36C at smtp02.spamarrest.com>
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> At 11:06 PM 4/10/2008, Fred Munro wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>If you are planning to swap in H1 projectors to use the Hong Kong kit, you
>>might as well swap in TT HID projectors. You can pick up broken TT lights
>>on
>>eBay for $100 per (I just bought one for spare parts for $75) and the
>>capsules, igniters, and ballasts are all available separately from the
>>dealer if replacements are required. I've retrofitted the TT HID
>>projectors
>>into my OEM DOT S6 lights with great results.
>
> Second that. I've done the TT projector/A6 electronics upgrade on
> both of my C4s.
>
> Work like a charm, standard off the shelf components in case of failure...
>
> They're not quite as powerful as the HIDs on my C5 A6, but a *lot*
> better than the ecode halogens.
>
> Lee
>
> Lee Levitt
> Needham, Massachusetts, USA
> '01 A4 1.8t quattro avant
> ''99 A6 quattro avant
> '97 A6 quattro avant
> '96 A6 quattro avant
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:42:41 -0400
> From: <pkrasusky at ups.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] E36 ///M3 *no more callers please*...
> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID:
> <F07772C7BE19644B903CE94256AB7021099A8B7E at njrarsvr1f31.us.ups.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> ...we have a WINNAR!!!
>
> Thanks for calling, hope you'll play again.
>
> 8-)
>
> Kudos / congrats. F'n gamers here I tell ya. Wickeddamncool.
>
> The Time Capsule is now appropriately guaranteed eternal JNRitude -
> perrrrfect...
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:01:02 -0400
> From: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] E36 stick sedan
> To: "Dave Kase" <davekase at pdqlocks.com>
> Cc: "paul at sfest.us" <paul at sfest.us>, //Scar list //Scar
> <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Message-ID:
> <79698a910804110601p5cb35cc1iad5d427c912ace21 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Not to just reiterate what Rich said, but yes, '95 was the only year for
> the
> E36 M3 Lightweight.
>
> Taka
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dave Kase <davekase at pdqlocks.com> wrote:
>
>> crap - I don't mean to open a can of worms off the thread topic but I
>> thought all Lightweights were white with colored flags at the opposite
>> corners...
>>
>> 1995 only deal...??? Taka?
>>
>> Dave Kase
>
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