[s-cars] Saw my first A5

Wed Jul 9 18:09:32 PDT 2008

They were having oil cooling issues, but I think they've rectified that one
with bigger coolers.
I think the motors are holding up, though, as long as you keep the oil cool.

Time will tell.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd do the obnoxious +1 thing, but really, +1.
>
> :-)
>
> The E90 BMW is a very nice driving car, even though I think it's ugly.
>
> Actually, there are issues with people running the 335 engine- some people
> had engine failures with the first cars out to market (I guess that's one of
> those typical 1st year German car issues). I wouldn't put a ton of boost
> through an open deck engine, though- it wasn't designed for that. I'd think
> you'd actually want to start with a 335d block to run high boost.
>
> Taka
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Joe Pizzimenti <joe.pizzimenti at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nothing against the 2.7T, it's a great motor at altitude, but trying to
>> get it to work in a B7/B8 body while still keeping all the other systems
>> happy is an exercise in frustration.  A 335xi makes a lot more sense in that
>> price range.
>>
>> Having driven B5-B7 Audi's & E46-E92 BMW's, I have to say that BMW has it
>> nailed on the turbo thing now.  That turbo 3.0L 6 feels like a small V8 with
>> its low end grunt & I'd say give it a year or 2 for the aftermarket to
>> really kick off.  Drove a friend's E36 with a decent sized hairdryer on it.
>> He beats the ever loving piss out of the car & hasn't had any motor issues
>> to date (about 20k), so I can only imagine what the 335 motor will be like
>> once people really start leaning on them.
>>
>> And a K04'd S4 is pretty much daily driver bliss so long as you don't try
>> to surpass 500HP.  After that, you start breaking lots of stuff.  IMO, it's
>> an engine in search of a better drivetrain.
>>
>> Where's that link to the 2.7T Exige?  :)
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:15 AM, <calvinlc at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know, I supposedly have the worst possible setup on my '01 S4 for
>>> cooking turbos - pre 2001.5 swapover design, aggressive ABT chip, and
>>> running at altitude and I thrash the hell out of it and have had no
>>> issues
>>> whatsoever.  Worst case scenario is I torch the turbos and have to
>>> upgrade.....what a shame :)  I have never heard of anyone having problems
>>> after switching to K04s.
>>>
>>> I guess my point on the 3.2 vs. 2.7t is simple.  If you are leaving the
>>> 2.7t
>>> stock and you live down in the thick air, then yes, it makes no sense.
>>> However, if you live up in the thin air, are doing an engine swap where
>>> K04s
>>> are a no brainer, and you want to push 400+ HP, the 3.2 ain't gonna cut
>>> it.
>>> I have run down way too many Z-28's, NA Porsche Carreras, S-2000s, etc.
>>> in
>>> my simply modded '01 S4 with the stock K03's to ever go with a normally
>>> aspirated car in Denver that has less than 400 cubic inches - which is
>>> getting price prohibitive on gas anyway.
>>>
>>> Oh, and somebody mentioned the A4 handling vs. the S4 handling.  I guess
>>> I
>>> have no handling complaints from my '01 S4 with the H&R Coilovers.
>>>
>>> --Calvin
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
>>> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Taka Mizutani
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:12 PM
>>> To: djdawson2 at aol.com
>>> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Saw my first A5
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.7T engines with K03s seem to cook turbos a lot. My question was whether
>>> a
>>> swap from K03 to K04 fixes the problem permanently or if it is an
>>> inherent
>>> design flaw.
>>>
>>> Until these tiny turbos, I've never really had any issues with turbo
>>> quattros.
>>>
>>> I don't really see the point of a 2.7T swap in an A5- the 3.2 is the same
>>> power output without turbos. If you're going to do a big turbo swap, I'd
>>> actually wait until the FI version comes out and do something with the FI
>>> engine rather than a complete engine swap.
>>>
>>> Anyway, good luck trying to get a 2.7T to talk to the rest of the systems
>>> in
>>> an A5.
>>>
>>> Taka
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:58 PM, <djdawson2 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well, I like Audis that have turbos... so an RS4 engine swap doesn't
>>> appeal
>>> > much to me.
>>> >
>>> > I have an A4 1.8t with APR's Stage 3 kit.  It is a lot of fun, and does
>>> > make some very decent power.  I recently picked up an '01 S4.  Since
>>> we're
>>> > talking about the same car with 2 different engines, I can say that the
>>> 2.7t
>>> > is very appealing, as it is smooth as silk, where the 1.8t is sort of
>>> > buzzy/noisey.  Considering that the A/S5 weighs in at nearly 4000lbs, I
>>> > don't see a 2.0t as a really good transplant option.  It'll be harder
>>> to
>>> > make it scoot than the UrS is.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not sure what you mean by the K04 turbo issues... maybe I'm
>>> uninformed.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
>>> > To: djdawson2 at aol.com
>>> > Cc: larrycleung at gmail.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
>>> > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 2:23 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Saw my first A5
>>> >
>>> > I'd rather look at RS4 engine swap or the opposite direction and put a
>>> 2.0T
>>> > modified in there.
>>> >
>>> > I don't really see why anyone would want a 2.7T swap. Are the turbo
>>> issues
>>> > solved with going to K04 turbos?
>>> >
>>> > Taka
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM, <djdawson2 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Well, I guess I'll have to stand by my original comments...
>>> >>
>>> >> The A or S5 6 speed will make a perfect project car for a 2.7tt
>>> transplant
>>> >> in 6 or 7 years when they only bring $15k in the market.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll wait? ;-)
>>> >>
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