[s-cars] (no subject)

Sat May 31 13:44:36 PDT 2008

I have a solution for a fuel pressure gauge if you have a Sears and a Home
Depot close by, along with an extra Banjo Bolt like the one that goes into
the end of the fuel rail.  Let me know if you want more details and I can
dig out the pictures and stuff when I made this contraption up.

--Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: Brooke Fairbanks [mailto:bfairbanks at fnbbarron.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:53 AM
To: calvinlc at earthlink.net; 'Tom Green'
Cc: 'Jeff Postupack'; 's-car-list'
Subject: RE: [s-cars] (no subject)

Sage advice Calvin...

An additional issue I have is that I live in Bum-F-Wisconsin where logging
trucks and rusted-out pick-up trucks rule the road.  Local mechanic's tool
boxes consist of duct tape, a BFH and many Phillips screw drivers (the vodka
kind).  I don't have easy-squeezey access to many of the tools required to
diagnose the many maladies these fine automobiles may have.  I realize that
a fuel pressure gauge is fairly benign, but I unfortunately don't have quick
access to this tool or many of the others required to properly maintain my
GrS6 fleet.  I have over the many years acquired or cobbled together close
facsimiles, but alas, not all.  Perhaps I should revert back to driving a 71
Pinto or 74 Fox, but I'm rather enamored with boost in conjunction with AWD.
I could swap out the FP from my other comatose (burnt valve) GrS6 and
perhaps temporarily solve the issue, but that would be asinine... ...I would
prefer to only once have to curl up in the fetal position in the S6's boot
to R&R the FP.

I've ordered a new FP, FPR and six meters of vacuum hose... ...with luck
(and the help of this knowledgeable list) I can get the gumby green GrS6
back to AWD drifting around the many gravel "roads" of NW Wisconsin.

As side note, I greatly appreciate everyone's assistance & advice... ...my
post has tinge of frustration, but it is induced by my current mode of
transportation:  1998 Oldsmobile Silhouette mini van w/ 204K rounds.  This
steaming knoll of scat has sucked every last molecule of testosterone from
my soul and I'm desperate to getting the Audi back on the road.

Thanks again and have a great weekend!

Brooke Fairbanks

-----Original Message-----
From: calvinlc at earthlink.net [mailto:calvinlc at earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:39 AM
To: Tom Green; Brooke Fairbanks
Cc: 'Jeff Postupack'; 's-car-list'
Subject: RE: [s-cars] (no subject)

Let's get back to basics.  Spark and fuel are needed to fire the engine.
Narrowing down which is not working is the first order.  In my opinion, the
easiest thing to do is to put a fuel pressure gauge on the car while you are
trying to crank and see if it is reaching about 60 psi.  If it is not
reaching above 45 psi or so then there is a high probability that it is fuel
delivery.  I had my FPR go out and it caused a no-start issue, although
after letting the pump run for about 1 minute by cycling the key on/off it
would finally fire.  Get a fuel pressure gauge on it and stop the
speculation.
--Calvin

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Tom Green
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:04 PM
To: Brooke Fairbanks
Cc: 'Jeff Postupack'; 's-car-list'
Subject: Re: [s-cars] (no subject)

Ok Brooke, I'll stop trying to be cute, and proofread as well.

Like it or not, DIY is the only practical solution to URS-6
ownership.  The
dealer network has almost no 5-cyl expertise left, and yes that is
important.
Even if you have one of the few shops near you that does have this
special
knowledge, you have to know enough the manage the required service and
tell the shop what you need.  That's why we are all here.

I would have to be 100% convinced it is not a fuel problem before
moving on.
Starting with the FPR, vacuum lines that control it and other things,
and the fuel
filter is ok since they need looking at or replacing anyway, but I
believe you will
be in the tank after the pump eventually.  I don't subscribe to the
finite life theory
of 100K but if you are having these problems and can't find the cure,
perhaps it
is time.

If you feel the pump is working ok it could well be the FPR dumping
pressure
right back to the tank or the filter blocking it there.  Those things
have happened.
ECStuning.com is selling them cheap.

In all your list of previous work done, there is no mention of any
DTC's.  Have
you checked for trouble codes?  I don't expect much help here but
even the
absence is some help.

Tom

On May 30, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Brooke Fairbanks wrote:

> Thanks for ideas... ...and yes Mr. Green, the problem is
> unfortunately real
> and no, I don't particularly enjoy mashing my knuckles against
> "ginsu" sharp
> engine bits.  It's that I'm galacticly frugal.
>
> As for the fuel pump, it was my understanding that they either work or
> don't; that must not be the case.  When I checked the pump
> operation, I was
> rather impressed with the volume; kind like a frat boy at a
> kegger.  But I'm
> "running" out of options... ...I could also swap out the ECU??
>
> Should I also check the pump at the FPR and further down stream
> from the
> filter?
>
> Brooke Fairbanks
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Green [mailto:trgreen at comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:17 PM
> To: s-car-list; bfairbanks at fnbbarron.com
> Cc: Jeff Postupack; Wylie Bean
> Subject:
>
> Is this a test, Posto, or a real problem?  :-)   Come on, "it tries
> to start/catch".
>
> Wylie certainly has it nailed as a fuel problem.  You can mess with
> the FPR or the filter,
> but if you are serious, just go to the pump.  If you are going to dig
> it out, just replace it,
> since you probably won't feel like doing this again real soon.
>
> Brooks must enjoy working on the S6 from looking at the things he has
> done already, so
> might as well replace the fuel filter and pressure regulator, and all
> the vacuum lines. They
> probably need replacing since they haven't been mentioned yet.  :-)
>
> Tom
>
>> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:05:21 -0400
>> From: <theringmeister at triad.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Let's rally to help a fellow S-car owner in
>> 	troubleshooting Hell in Wisconsin !
>> To: "Postupack, Jeff" <Jeff.Postupack at analog.com>
>> Cc: bfairbanks at fnbbarron.com, s-car-list at audifans.com
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<15538653.1443891212163521935.JavaMail.root at hrndva-web19-z02>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> I'm going to bet it's the fuel pump or garbage in the filter at the
>> bottom of the pump itself.
>>
>> The pump may be working but not quite at the level it should be. I
>> went through this back in Nov/Dec.  I never thought a fuel pump
>> could die a slow death, but mine did. If there's over 100K on it
>> then it's gonna need changin' soon anyway, right DAVE?!?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Wylie Bean
>> TheRingmeister at triad.rr.com
>> 90 cq
>> 91 90q20v sport
>> 92 UrS4
>> 01 allroad
>>
>>
>> ---- "Postupack wrote:
>>> Brook needs the collective assist of  Tha List!
>>>
>>> Read on:  I sold Brook a new CPS a while back. he thought that might
>>> cure his no-start.  Here's today's story.
>>>
>>> Not running, but it tries to start/catch... ...I believe I
>>> verified that
>>> the speed sensor pin is still on the flywheel.  I pulled the sensors
>>> with the engine @ TDC and viewed a square pin through the opening.
>>>
>>> This is the synopsis of my struggles:
>>>
>>> *	With a half tank of fuel and driving the 95 S6 w/ 129K miles,
>>> the engine hesitates/stumbles then dies.  It refires, but runs
>>> poorly
>>> then dies.
>>> *	With the car back home, I swap the crank speed sensors from my
>>> other S6 and still a no start condition.
>>> *	Compression is high of 135 and a low of 125 across the
>>> cylinders.
>>> *	I swap out the old POS units with known to be working POS units
>>> and still a no start condition.
>>> *	I swap out the old coils with a 034 ignition loom with 5 new
>>> 1.8t coils and still a no start condition.
>>> *	I by-passed the fuel pump relay to check the fuel pump function
>>> and it appears to pump fine from the filter line (I did not
>>> measure the
>>> exact volume or measure from the fuel pressure regulator or the
>>> injectors)  I checked to make certain it was fuel, not fuel/water
>>> coming
>>> from the tank.
>>> *	I spliced in a super groovy CPS purchased from a very patient AW
>>> forum user and still a no start condition.
>>> *	I replaced the fuel filter, spark plugs, crank seal, cam seal,
>>> TB, serp belt, serp tensioner bearing, H2O pump, T-stat, triple
>>> checked
>>> the timing marks but did not install the radiator and still a no
>>> start
>>> condition.  (I have to return the Audi tools back to Force5 today)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What other causes could it be?
>>>
>>> *	Plugged cats
>>> *	Injectors
>>> *	Bad karma
>>>
>>>  "Brooke Fairbanks" <bfairbanks at fnbbarron.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Postupack
>
>>>
>

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