[s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"

[Peter Schulz]

Larry:
I had the same failure mode on my early 1986 16v Scirocco.....


-Peter
At 10:00 PM 11/30/2008 -0500, LL - NY wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Yup, knew that. When they rebuilt it, they used the older (pre-JT) pinion
>shaft and circlip. Guess the labor rates around upstate NY in 87 were
>significantly less than Chicago. I'm sure things would've been different had
>I been in the Greater NYC region.  And, the stupid flaw was confined to only
>the close ratio 8V gearboxes. One of my friends (and former member of our
>SCCA region) had his gearbox self machine on the way to Nationals in his
>Jetta Wolfsburg. He rebuilt the tranny in the hotel parking lot (I'm sure
>the management must've loved the mess of gear oil) and went on to trophy at
>Nats. Yes, dumb design to save a few cents. Wasn't one of VAG's more
>brilliant decisions. I just don't think other mfgs are immune from just as
>stupid decisions, only we're more aware of VAG's mistakes as a part of this
>forum.
>
>LL - NY
>
>On 11/30/08, mtgadbois at aol.com <mtgadbois at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Larry,
> >
> > The design flaw was that VW replaced a cir-clip in the transmission with a
> > pop-rivit.  Either of them was to hold in a set of
> > gears on a shaft.  What happens is that the pop rivit wears down and the
> > gears slide off the shaft and through the tranny case.
> > In my case, I complained to the zone rep (44K miles) and VW paid for 1/2 of
> > the cost.  My job was originally quoted at $3K.
> > When VW entered the picture the prices fell to VW rates, namely $2200.  My
> > cost was 1/2 or $1100. I guess the prices are higher in
> > Chicago but this was 1986!  With this level of design expertice at VW I
> > decided to no longer buy their products.  BTW, this type
> > of problem was documented in European Car Magazine in the 1980's.
> >
> > Mark near Chicago
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: LL - NY <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> > To: mtgadbois at aol.com <mtgadbois at aol.com>
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:36 am
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"
> >
> >  I too had an A2 GTi, which ate it's tranny. Turns out that was a design
> > flaw that VW sort of half covered (gave me $500 towards an $1100 
> rebuild) at
> > 50K miles. Other than that, the car was (reasonably, yeah, there 
> were broken
> > plastic bits) durable right up until a storm felled tree landed 
> on it 14 yrs
> > and 110K heavily autocrossed miles later. If Paulie does post contact info,
> > I'm actually half serious. $800 for that sort of raw fun (not too 
> mention 87
> > octane mid-high 20 MPG flailing it as hard as you can) works for me.
> >
> > LL - NY
> >
> > On 11/29/08, mtgadbois at aol.com <mtgadbois at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> To you buyers,
> >>
> >> This thread does not seem to die so I'll add my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> I, too, had a 1981 Scirocco S, white with red interior.
> >> It was a bucket of rust. I bought it new and sold it in
> >> 1986 to get a new GTI.  The GTI ate its tranny and that
> >> was the last time I ever looked at owning a VW. Both cars
> >> were a lot of fun but hardly durable.
> >>
> >> Mark near Chicago
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:12:32 -0800
> >> From: "Jack Walker" <jack at walkerperformancegroup.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"
> >> To: "'Ben Swann'" <benswann at verizon.net>, <pkrasusky at ups.com>,
> >>     <robert.rossato at hs.utc.com>, <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: krasusky4 at comcast.net, s-car-list at audifans.com
> >>
> >>
> >> I had a 81 Red S, too.
> >> Loved it until I totaled it on a long left hand sweeper and
> >> sneezed...drifted into the gravel on the right hand side, over corrected
> >> and
> >> it spun backwards into a ditch on the opposite side
> >>
> >> There seems to still be some running in some of the SCCA classes?
> >>
> >> Jack Walker
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> >> [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Ben Swann
> >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM
> >> To: pkrasusky at ups.com; robert.rossato at hs.utc.com; larrycleung at gmail.com
> >> Cc: krasusky4 at comcast.net; s-car-list at audifans.com
> >> Subject: [s-cars] NAC: He Said "Scirocco!"
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey, where is this 'rocco?  I want in on the bidding war!
> >>
> >> To this day can't believe I sold my '81 sidwinder "S" in 1992  for $1k and
> >> a
> >> cell phone
> >> I never used.  Anyone want a cell phone - you know the 5 lb Motorola
> >> jobbie?
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
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-Peter Schulz
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