[s-cars] For Participants in the 2004 "RS2" turbo GB

Tue Oct 28 14:28:07 PDT 2008

Sounds like this has been confirmed already, but I will pipe in since I put
the RS2 turbo GB together back in 2004 when I had  my S6 RS2'D by Tim at TJM
Motorsports (also Northern European)  in NH.  At the time he was just
starting with Dalback racing and had the ability to get the Turbos through
his connection in Sweden.  We had a special run and I recall it took an
extra couple months

When I sent the email to the list there was huge demand, as the  price was
low and supply of RS2's at the time was low.  IF I recall it was like $900.

BTW, I did have one  of the studs go on my turbo after 120K  miles. 

-----Original Message-----
From: s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
[mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of Tom Green
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:47 PM
To: Mike Sylvester
Cc: s-car-list
Subject: Re: [s-cars] For Participants in the 2004 "RS2" turbo GB

All parties involved have impeccable credentials and the turbos came
from the same production line as the Audi part.  They are genuine  
factory
parts, just not labeled for the VW/Åudi parts system which is a  
packaging
issue that make it not a genuine Audi part.

We do this all the time with parts.  I buy the Bosch parts by Bosch  
number
and without the Audi part # or logo when I buy spark plugs, O2 sensors,
POS, and fuel and oil filters,  because they are identical parts  
without the
additional markup of another middleman supply layer.

I don't need the rings on my turbo any more than I need Calvin Klein's
name on my shorts.

Tom

On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Mike Sylvester wrote:

> Unfortunately, I am in the mix of this as well even though I was not
> part of the GB.
> My involvement is that my engine with a real RS2 turbo installed  
> was at
> Northern European at the time of the GB.
> A shipment of the turbos was late and Tim asked me if he could use my
> turbo to ship to a customer and give me one of the GB turbos when they
> came in.
> It was not known to me until now that these turbos may not be exactly
> the same as factory RS2 parts.
> My engine is still on a stand, so I should be able to snap a picture.
>
> It looks like one of the guys on the list actually has a real factory
> part.
> Be nice to it.  I hand carried that home from the fatherland.
>
> Mike
>
> www.urq20v.com
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] For Participants in the 2004 "RS2" turbo GB
>> From: Tom Green <trgreen at comcast.net>
>> Date: Tue, October 28, 2008 1:50 pm
>> To: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>, David Forgie
>> <forgied at shaw.ca>
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> These turbos were sourced directly from KKK and were produced in a
>> special run for this
>> group buy.  Since Audi was not involved there are no VW/Audi part
>> numbers or markings
>> on the data plates.  I believe Tim was able to buy directly because
>> of his Dahlback ties.
>> At that time neither Audi nor KKK had any RS2 turbos in stock, so
>> unless they were
>> convinced to restock from this run you are unlikely to see any
>> genuine parts except for the
>> NOS parts that were already distributed to suppliers.
>>
>> At least, that is my recollection of events.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> P.S. you might ask these guys.
>>
>> 1.	Jeff LaBombard
>> 2.	Scott Munger
>> 3.	Ed Walsh
>> 4.	Dave Brown
>> 5.	Brent Bethers
>> 6.	Mike Hopton
>> 7.	Ken ? (auditude at cox.net)
>> 8.	Justin Bange
>> 9.	James Shackelford
>> 10.	Paul Gailus
>> 11.	Sean Douglas
>> 12.	Jeff Posto
>> 13.	Brian Powell
>> 14.	Chris Ludlow
>> 15.	Stacey Mohr
>> 16.	Steve Mills
>> 17.	Daniel Forbing
>> 18.	Chuck ? (blakk67 at bellsouth.net)
>> 19.	Richard Harris
>> 20.	Marty Herrick
>> 21.	Steve Voit
>> 22.	Dave Forgie
>> 23.	Christopher Gharibo
>> 23.	Jack Walker
>> 24.  Tom Green
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:08:17 -0700
>>> From: David Forgie <forgied at shaw.ca>
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] For Participants in the 2004 "RS2" turbo GB
>>> To: JenRob <jenrob at mchsi.com>
>>> Cc: "S-Car-List at Audifans.Com" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>> Message-ID: <d04ee358db1e8.49062dc1 at shaw.ca>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Rob: Thanks.  What I was expecting (hoping for) was something like
>>> this:
>>> http://www.bufkinengineering.com/Turbo_3628(640X480).JPG
>>>
>>> I vaguely remember some discussion about these odd numbers that you
>>> list way
>>> back in 2004 but I also remember that we all finally agreed that
>>> somehow they
>>> were RS2 spec turbos even without the "7200" etc.
>>>
>>> The reason I am asking is someone recently bought one of our
>>> Vancouver club cars that had
>>> been RS2'd (along with mine and Sean D.) off that 2004 GB and now
>>> the turbo has apparently
>>> FUBAR'd.  He wants to get the turbo rebuilt but the numbers on the
>>> turbo do not
>>> correspond to anything in the Borg Warner KKK catalogue to get the
>>> parts.
>>>
>>> Dave F.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: JenRob <jenrob at mchsi.com>
>>> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:45 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] For Participants in the 2004 "RS2" turbo GB
>>> To: David Forgie <forgied at shaw.ca>, "S-Car-List at Audifans.Com" <s-
>>> car-list at audifans.com>
>>>
>>>> Dave- i have one of these turbos uninstalled currently, so i can
>>>> see the
>>>> blue plate. The upper line on ther plate reads  k24  1335.
>>>>  lower line on plate : 24 4089063.   I had a
>>>> friend that works for Borg
>>>> Warner/KKK turbo development here locally look over the turbo.
>>>> He said the
>>>> turbo
>>>> didn't match up to anything they had availible, the numbers on
>>>> the plate
>>>> didn't coorelate to anything in the catalog, but that it was a
>>>> RS2 spec
>>>> turbo marked
>>>> differently from the one he purchased from borgwarner
>>>> himself.  -rob
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Forgie" <forgied at shaw.ca>
>>>> To: <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:17 PM
>>>> Subject: [s-cars] For Participants in the 2004 "RS2" turbo GB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This was the group buy of about 20 turbos from a brand new run
>>>> of "RS2"
>>>> turbos by
>>>> Borg-Warner KKK in Europe that was put together by TJM
>>>> Motorsport in the
>>>> spring of 2004.
>>>>
>>>> The questions are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Did anybody happen to take and keep a photo of the blue
>>>> name/Serial No.
>>>> name plate?
>>>> IF so, is there some way you can share it? (I can't see the one
>>>> on mine
>>>> since it is at the bottom,
>>>> inside)
>>>>
>>>> 2. Have there been any failures of this particular batch of
>>>> turbos? I am
>>>> hearing rumour of perhaps
>>>> one so far.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Was anyone ever able to conclusively decide that what we got
>>>> was Audi RS2
>>>> spec (with a 2.6"
>>>> cold side turbine) or KKK's version of the RS2 (with a 2.7" cold
>>>> side
>>>> turbine)? If this was true, it
>>>> could explain a few things. (I know - the only way to tell is to
>>>> disassemble
>>>> the turbo)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Dave F.
>>
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