[s-cars] 964s are generally bad

[Theodore Chen]

i thought so, too - hence my shock.

$15k gets you an LS7, complete from intake to dry sump oil pan, backed by a 24 month, 50k mile factory warranty.  i told my friend to put that in his 911.  :)




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From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
To: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
Cc: Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com>; Jack Walker <jack at walkerperformancegroup.com>; "<s-car-list at audifans.com>" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:39:57 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] 964s are generally bad

Gotta agree with Cody about 911 engine rates- the whole thing just drops down, it's not a big deal to pull the engine out of a 911. Much, much easier than a 944 Turbo or a Corvette.

My mechanic can do it in about 3 hrs., he's quick- he's had about as much practice pulling the transmission out of his personal 911 as Bill M. doing the S6. :-)

Seriously though, $15k sounds like the engine should have been a 3.8L by then, with a 5-angle valve job, flowtested, along with cams and headers.

That's why I still haven't gotten a P-car- if I put $15k into the Vette, I'd have a 550 usable rwhp high-revving 427 under the hood, built by someone like Katech, Lingenfelter or better. $17k rebuild is just ridiculous.

Taka



On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com> wrote:

I hate to say this, but unless either there was some confusion as to
the definition of "pulling the engine" or your buddy got seriously
ripped off. Any half wit that's ever touched a 911/964/993/996 can
have the engine out in 3 hours, maybe 4 tops. Factor the same to re-
install and even at dealership labor rates we are talking under a grand.

Just a few days ago I did a 3.2l Carrera clutch and rear main seal.
Started first thing in the morning and test drove the car at just a
few mnutes before 5pm. 964 would have maybe taken 15 more minutes.

-Cody
Sent from my iPod

On May 14, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Theodore Chen <tedebearp at yahoo.com> wrote:

> it depends on where you are.  san francisco bay area tends to be
> significantly more expensive.
>
> $17k is what my friend paid in sacramento, and he didn't even get
> many upgrades.  doing the minimum amount would have been a little
> under $15k.  i was shocked that the shop charged him several
> thousand dollars just to pull the engine.  i can have an engine swap
> done in the mustang for $1k.
>
> cool that you're using an ipod for email, by the way.  are you
> finding a lot of free wi-fi connections?
>
> From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
> To: Jack Walker <jack at walkerperformancegroup.com>
> Cc: "<s-car-list at audifans.com>" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:13:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 964s are generally bad
>
> IMHO 15k is way too much. We usually charge under 10k unless there's
> major bits broken or damaged.
>
> -Cody
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, "Jack Walker" <jack at walkerperformancegroup.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I believe that was the model that Porsche engineers had some "help"
> > redesigning the sealing of the head to the barrel.without the o-
> > rings that
> > fit into the head, as they had been using previously?
> >
> > 15K to rebuild is right on! I was looking at one just the other day
> > at my
> > local wrench's shop and he said yeah really cool car.if it's been
> > rebuilt,
> > new barrels, pistons, heads, cause yah might as well go bigger when
> > it's all
> > apart.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack Walker
> >
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