[s-cars] Red light traffic in Illinois

Fri Jul 23 08:30:47 PDT 2010

Dennis,

you evidently didn't drive through Michigan then....I drive through both on a 
weekly basis.

While Ohio has annoying law encorcement their roads are much better than
Michigan and the troopers pale in comparison to the Michigan State Police.

Chris

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From: "dgraber460 at aol.com" <dgraber460 at aol.com>
To: weski at verizon.net; qshipq at aol.com
Cc: airbil at gmail.com; s-car-list at audifans.com
Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 11:21:35 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Red light traffic in Illinois

A few years ago I had to drive back to Denver from the East coast and found PA 
to have the best roads of the whole route, so they must _not_ be short on 
revenue, and using what they do have wisely. Good job PA!
Ohio had the worst roads and most offensive and annoying enforcement, and radar 
what seemed like everywhere. I swore I would go hundreds of miles out of my way 
if necessary to never darken an Ohio road ever again. (rant mode off)
No cameras and great roads! PA gets it!!

Dennis 
Denver

-----Original Message-----
From: P. Dooley & J. Dunlap <weski at verizon.net>
To: qshipq at aol.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com; airbil at gmail.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Red light traffic in Illinois

Guess there are times that is sure is good to be living in PA where 
raffic cameras are not permitted and only state troopers may use radar 
not locals) and other radar usage restrictions like not being able to 
hoot across more than 1 lane and can't use it at night unless their 
arker lights are on.
Paul, taking my own pictures of my car, Dooley
5 S6

shipq at aol.com wrote:
  Right turn on Red Law Illinois
"Steady Lights
Red light – Stop at the marked stop line. If there is not a marked stop line, 
top before entering the crosswalk. If there is no crosswalk, stop before 
ntering the intersection. Do not go until the light is green and the 
ntersection is clear.

You may make a right turn at a red light. You also may make a left turn at a 
ed light when turning from a one-way street onto another one-way street that 
as traffic moving to the left. In both instances, drivers must come to a 
omplete stop and yield the right-of-way to oncoming traffic and pedestrians 
efore turning."  Illinois Secretary of State

New legislation doesn't appear to help Baloney here
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-09/news/ct-met-quinn-red-light-cameras-20100709_1_lights-on-traffic-signals-red-light-cameras

Nor does the devious thought of putting on plate covers, as that's a moving 
points) violation as of Jan 1 2006.  It's a revenue racket alright, but a well 
obbied one it seems...

License Plate Covers
The law previously allowed clear covers only, but was changed January 1st, 
006 to prohibit ANY covers, clear or tinted.  (see below - 625ILCS, 5/12-610.5) 
> Sec. 12‑610.5. Registration plate covers.
    (a) In this Section, "registration plate cover" means any tinted, colored, 
ainted, marked, clear, or illuminated object that is designed to:
        (1) cover any of the characters of a motor vehicle's

registration plate; or
        (2) distort a recorded image of any of the characters      
of a motor vehicle's registration plate recorded by an automated red light 
nforcement system as defined in Section 1‑105.5 of this Code or recorded by an 
utomated traffic control system as defined in Section 15 of the Automated 
raffic Control Systems in Highway Construction or Maintenance Zones Act.
    (b) It shall be unlawful to operate any motor vehicle that is equipped 
ith registration plate covers.
    (c) A person may not sell or offer for sale a registration plate cover.
    (d) A person may not advertise for the purpose of promoting the sale of 
egistration plate covers.
    (e) A violation of this Section or a similar provision of a local 
rdinance shall be an offense against laws and ordinances regulating the 
ovement of traffic.
(Source: P.A. 94‑304, eff. 1‑1‑06.)

None of this is new in Illinois.  

SJ

-----Original Message-----
From: qshipq at aol.com
To: airbil at gmail.com
Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] guilty, not guilty?

  A couple of misconceptions present.  In Illinois, there is no need to 

"Identify" the driver, as this is not a points infraction, this is a revenue 

generator.  Identifying the car is the only requirement, it's up to you to put 
>
your hand out to whomever was driving (btdt to my daughter and a buddy that 

borrowed my truck).  Bill, the way these sensors work (I'll assume these are 
ot 

the radar type = these are the pad type), they follow the simple timing rule 
o 

determine speed over two sensors.  This triggers the camera/video, and there 
a 

go.  If you can figure out whom gives you your right to due process, you would 
>
need to provide evidence of a stop (many have been successful proving that the 
>
stop was somewhere prior or post sensor).  It appears to me (thinking referee 

instant replay review), it's really tough to prove a full stop with your 
ideo.  

Illinois Law on Right Turn on Red is clear that you have to establish a 

"complete stop" at the line (see reference on the site I 

  gave you).  I'm sure there is an interpretation of that that can be 
hallenged 

to an extent, but rolling stops usually don't qualify.  The revenuers gotcha 

man.  Your choices are to pay and learn that rolling stops can be 

wallet-challenging.  Or, you can fight this some other way...  The latter 
eems 

to be a weak choice, as the video is clear, the hockey puck appeared to clear 

the net without interruption or interference.

WRT S-fest, my plans will rotate around the need to transport a daughter back 
o 

college.

Scott "stops completely" J

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