[s-cars] VW Passat 2.8 Experience
yo-cello at comcast.net
yo-cello at comcast.net
Fri Sep 10 07:21:09 PDT 2010
Good to know. An 8 cylinder with AWD and a manual trans is always tempting to me, however not for my budget. And family needs require the next vehicle be of the minivan variety...
Paul
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From: "Steve Mills" <s.b.mills at gmail.com>
To: yo-cello at comcast.net
Cc: "Taka Mizutani" <t44tqtro at gmail.com>, "AaronT" <atay101 at gmail.com>, "S-Car-List" <s-car-list at audifans.com>, "JC" <jc at j2c3.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:57:13 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] VW Passat 2.8 Experience
I'd stay far away from a W8- they are not known for reliability. Cam follower problems are common and $$$$$ to fix. Some stories here http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3611197
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM, < yo-cello at comcast.net > wrote:
There's a couple of Passat W8 manuals out there on ebay at the moment - both sedans, with one having a buy it now price of $8500. Tempting.
Factory BBS wheels, too.
Paul
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From: "Taka Mizutani" < t44tqtro at gmail.com >
To: "JC" < jc at j2c3.com >
Cc: "AaronT" < atay101 at gmail.com >, "S-Car-List" < s-car-list at audifans.com >
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:45:33 AM
Subject: Re: [s-cars] VW Passat 2.8 Experience
If you don't mind having a really weird engine, go look for a 2004 VW Passat
W8 4Motion with a stick- they're out there. There was one at my mechanic's
shop yesterday. No more rare than a 200q20v Avant. :-)
They're not slow- they have 280hp IIRC, so pretty nice in that regard. They
also have the B5 S4tt's brakes, so they can stop.
Taka
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, JC < jc at j2c3.com > wrote:
> Not having had a Passat I did have a C5 A6 with the 2.8 30v and also had a
> close friend with a 2002ish Passat 4Mo from new to 90k or something like
> that. Both engine and car extremely boring compared to the UrS. Recognizing
> wives priorities can be different (my wife equally hates the Battlewagen
> especially since it left me stranded a few weeks ago) that might be fine.
>
> But factually common issues I and my friend both had with the 30v: coils,
> O2 sensors and/or cats, instrument cluster, and some mix of the variety of
> leaky sealy stuff Brian mentioned. Then he had some other fussy interior or
> comfort related bits go wrong which I fail to remember all the details of.
>
> In that vein I'd go 1.8T/2.0T A4 Avant 10 times out of 10. Despite being
> "same platform" as A6 and Passat, the A4 somehow has a ton more soul and the
> little turbo 4 is much more rewarding than the dull 6. Better mileage too.
> And with a mild chip will be just as fast if not more than the mind
> numbingly boring 30v, yet is still highly reliable.
>
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> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:25, brian hoeft < qweblog at gmail.com > wrote:
>
> > The ATQ has a timing BELT.
> >
> > From 75-150k expect more than nickles and dimes.
> >
> > Coolant and oil leaks have plenty of places to arise from and more likely
> > than not, will happen. Cam plugs, seals, valve cover(s), coolant lines,
> > metal line o-ring headaches, valley pan gasket, transmission problems,
> ABS
> > pump failures (typically the electronic half, not hydraulic). Instrument
> > cluster issues. EPC faults. I could go on.
> >
> > My opinion of them is very low due to first hand experience.
> >
> > Your S6 sounds like it needs a good chunk of change to be brought up to
> > snuff, and would then be a keeper compared to the 2.8 Passat.
> >
> > Of course, you could appease her current dislike for the S and then once
> > acquired the Passat that is a never ending money pit, and once it too
> late,
> > reminisce on just how dependable and servicable the S6 was.
> >
> > I service these particular cars a lot and everyone that has one is either
> > looking to get rid of it or already has.
> >
> > Caveat emptor! Aaron
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:58 AM, AaronT < atay101 at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks everyone for your insight
> >> I should have mentioned - My interest in the passat is to replace my
> Avant
> >> which has essentially ended up in my wifes hands and she is tired of the
> >> "nickles and dimes".
> >> With my job ive been taking the bus or riding my bike and the only time
> I
> >> drive seems to be when we are out of town on the weekend camping /
> riding
> >> etc and for that we use the camper van. (Ford diesel - 160Kmi NOTHIING
> >> needed except brakes for the duration)
> >> So...performace concerns with the passat are understood coming from this
> >> crowd but she could basically care less.
> >> My concerns are with longevity and maintenance costs.
> >> I understand the V6's run a timing chain so 60k mi timing belt changes
> are
> >> a thing of the past.
> >> Anything else significant to look forward to on the path from 75k to
> 150k+
> >> mi?
> >> Cheers
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, LL - NY < larrycleung at gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe it's just Passats, since my buddie's Passat seems to be just as
> >>> recalcitrant. New batteries and the subsequent reset is all.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Taka Mizutani < t44tqtro at gmail.com >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I wonder if you have issues with your keys- my mom's beetle has been
> >> fine
> >>>> and the old a4 never had any issue with the key.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you try fresh batteries and resyncing the keys?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 9, 2010 8:30 AM, "LL - NY" < larrycleung at gmail.com > wrote:
> >>>>> I can chime in on my experience with my Mom's 2001.5 GLX 4mo Wagon
> >> (same
> >>>>> car, for the most part as an '03 I think some features change,
> >>>>> otherwise it's another post facelift (still B5) car. 2.8 V6 30V).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Beware, the car is of very low miles (Mom doesn't travel much, just
> >>>> local
> >>>>> driving) and it's been through a number of hits (one fairly severe)
> as
> >>>> Mom
> >>>>> also doesn't drive real well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Overall, competent vehicle, pleasant enough of a drive. For spirited
> >>>> driving
> >>>>> if you're used to UrS thrust, well, it doesn't have it. It has
> >> perfectly
> >>>>> adequate pull, but the very act of spirited driving highlights it's
> >> one
> >>>>> biggest flaw, Tiptronic. In regular driving, it's fine, virtually
> >>>>> transparent. In spirited driving, it's slow to kickdown (even with
> >>>> manual
> >>>>> selection) fast to shift up, will not hold at redline and it's got a
> >> low
> >>>> rev
> >>>>> stall speed (for the weak low down torque, this works against getting
> >> a
> >>>> good
> >>>>> launch, say, like trying to get into heavy fast traffic from a side
> >>>> street).
> >>>>> Due to the pedal interlock, you can't LFB.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Problems (car has less than 30K miles), running wise, essentially
> >> none.
> >>>> Only
> >>>>> real problem is the stereo head unit, which has now the standard VAG
> >>>> issues,
> >>>>> (display winks out, first it was the backlight, now when the actual
> >>>> display
> >>>>> goes out) the only control that works is the power switch on the head
> >>>> unit
> >>>>> and the steering wheel controls. All other head unit controls go AWOL
> >>>> when
> >>>>> the display is out. You can sometimes restore the display (thus
> >> control)
> >>>> by
> >>>>> pressing on the face of the unit, but this obviously is not going to
> >>>> last
> >>>>> forever. The unit is a Typhoon, but doesn't have the CD changer out
> >>>> back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Car has held up fairly well considering that Mom doesn't really care
> >>>> about
> >>>>> cars at all, and it's condition at any time kind of shows it. A good
> >>>>> cleaning would bring everything back (i.e. the materials, inside and
> >> out
> >>>>> hold up well except the exterior brightwork, which is getting the VAG
> >>>>> "milky" patina) except for the dents that have nothing to do with the
> >>>> car.
> >>>>> As a DD, it's nicer (I think) and a much better drive than say a
> >> similar
> >>>>> vintage Camry. Still, it doesn't have quite the same verve as the UrS
> >>>> when
> >>>>> the roads get interesting. I guess the best word I can think of for
> it
> >>>> was
> >>>>> the first one I used...competent. And perhaps more reliable than a C4
> >>>> car.
> >>>>> It IS much more dependent on diagnostics and system changes on
> >> VAG-COM.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My local friend has a 2003 1.8T 5sp 4mo Wagon (rare!) and the only
> >> real
> >>>>> issues he has had (car has well over 100K miles on it now) has been
> >> the
> >>>> door
> >>>>> locks, and brakes (although he has a dirt driveway. Mom's car is
> >>>> garaged).
> >>>>> BOTH cars suffer from the most irritating remote key controls on the
> >>>> planet.
> >>>>> It's like Forrest Gump's box of choclates. You press a button and ya
> >>>> never
> >>>>> know if it's gonna work. If it were me, and nothing of value was in
> >> the
> >>>> car,
> >>>>> I'd leave the damn thing unlocked...oh, you can't. The stupid hatch
> >> will
> >>>>> lock anyway. It's like the car's remote and locking functions were
> >>>> designed
> >>>>> by and for...Americans.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HTH,
> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:16 AM, AaronT < atay101 at gmail.com > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry folks but another non scar question -
> >>>>>> Anybody have any direct experience with a 2003 VW passat 4Mo wagon
> >>>> (2.8v6)?
> >>>>>> Still looking for a reasonable replacement for my 95S6Avant....
> >>>>>> Which by the way has been rather trouble free lately - famous last
> >>>> words.
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>> Aaron
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