[s-cars] Out of town buyer.

Mon Jul 29 13:02:03 PDT 2013

...  LOL, and one could easily argue technically, tosome  'Patriot Act' nonsense at a Dealer, a Buyer with $10k in Cash only needs a Passport or State Issued ID, he does *NOT* need a Drivers License.  Only on the S-car site, can I read Patriot Act and Vehicle Sale in the same thread!

Well done!

SJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Duff <ian at inside-overlap.com>
To: djdawson2 <djdawson2 at aol.com>; qshipq <qshipq at aol.com>; mike <mike at urq20v.com>; t44tqtro <t44tqtro at gmail.com>; brucem105 <brucem105 at comcast.net>
Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.

Hopefully everyone is aware that the Patriot Act requires TORSEN center
differentials, and non-synthetic motor oil. Consult your attorney if there
are any questions. Your large, Samoan attorney.

-Ian.
-----Original Message-----

From: <djdawson2 at aol.com>
Date: Monday, 29 July, 2013 15:04
To: Scott Justusson <QSHIPQ at aol.com>, <mike at urq20v.com>,
<t44tqtro at gmail.com>, <brucem105 at comcast.net>
Cc: s-CAR list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.

Seems like this is much ado about extremely little.

I've only bought 1 car and/or motorcycle in the past 12 years that was in
my home state.  No problems... not once.  I arrived with a cashier's check
to prove my intent to buy - assuming all went well with the test drive and
once over of the car.  I also arrived prepared to show that I was
currently insured.  Bill of sale simply stated the date, my name, the
description of the vehicle, its VIN, and how much was paid... period.

I've sold almost everything in that same timeframe to out of state buyers
as well.  Bill of sale simply stated the date, name of the person buying,
the description of the car and its VIN, and how much was paid... period.
If they want to test drive... I'm holding the cash or cashier's check
during the drive.

I've bought and sold a ton of cars in my life.  In that time, only about 4
of them came through some sort of dealer channel with the associated
mountain of silly paperwork.  Everything else has been private party, and
I've never ever had a problem.  Not long ago, I'd just take the title -
signed over to me, and that was it... and the reverse if I was selling.

Anyway... seems like this is getting off the charts.  Patriot Act???

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
To: mike <mike at urq20v.com>; t44tqtro <t44tqtro at gmail.com>; brucem105
<brucem105 at comcast.net>
Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.

Depends...  If a car deal is contingent on the test drive, Buyer needs to
prove 
that he has insurance.  If the car deal is contingent on a test drive
(local 
craigslist thing), then you only need to be in the car during the test
drive, as 
your (Seller) insurance will cover that.  I find this part of the
discussion to 
be silly myself.  Test drives are not a grey area to an insurance company.
 If 
there is insurance on the car, the car is insured.

Scott J

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>; t44tqtro <t44tqtro at gmail.com>;
brucem105 
<brucem105 at comcast.net>
Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 12:36 pm
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.

I'm talking about the test drive.  The potential buyer does not have an
insurance binder for that.

Mike

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
> From: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
> Date: Mon, July 29, 2013 12:25 pm
> To: mike at urq20v.com, t44tqtro at gmail.com, brucem105 at comcast.net
> Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> 
> 
> Yes I am, it's a condition of every Sale I've done.  If he has proof of
insurance on the vehicle, I could care less if he drives the car.  Why
would I 
care?  Private Party Sales means you should not try to be smarter than the
risk 
presented to you.  Me, I encourage PP Sellers to keep the insurance
coverage 
active for a week after the sale.  That has less risk than asking and
knowing a 
Buyer has no license.  It is NOT required by law that a car Buyer in any
state 
has a license.  Period.
> 
> SJ
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Sylvester <mike at urq20v.com>
> To: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>; t44tqtro <t44tqtro at gmail.com>;
>brucem105 

<brucem105 at comcast.net>
> Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:35 am
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
> 
> 
> In that vain, are you going to let an unlicensed buyer test drive your
> car?
> 
> Mike
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
> > From: Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com>
> > Date: Mon, July 29, 2013 11:25 am
> > To: t44tqtro at gmail.com, brucem105 at comcast.net
> > Cc: s-car-list at audifans.com
> > 
> > 
> > That's BS, DL has nothing to do with Patriot Act at all.  I don't care
>who 
> buys the car if I have the money.  The Dealer usually has a Policy to
>require 
DL 
> license because that's part of their dealer insurance liability going to
> 'intent' of a unlicensed buyer to drive a car without one.  Same reason
>a 
dealer 
> has a Policy that requires an Insurance Binder.
> > 
> > 
>http://www.usacoverage.com/auto-insurance/can-an-auto-dealership-sell-a-ca
>r-to-someone-with-no-driver%E2%80%99s-license-or-insurance.html
> > 
> > Scott J
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> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com>
> > To: Bruce Mendel <brucem105 at comcast.net>
> > Cc: s-car-list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2013 10:12 am
> > Subject: Re: [s-cars] Out of town buyer.
> > 
> > 
> > The reason you need the buyer's drivers license number is to comply
>with
> > the Patriot Act. I don't think individuals are required to do this, but
> > dealers must make a photocopy of the buyer's license.
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