[s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive

[chris chambers]

Very interesting, what about swapping in one of the new 07K motors?





>________________________________
> From: Robin Stoddard <robinstoddard at icloud.com>
>To: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> 
>Cc: "s-car-list at audifans.com" <s-car-list at audifans.com> 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 4:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive
> 
>
>So got it, it's a no go then in the US to swap an AAN engine into a B6 S4.  :-)
>It's an interesting thought, but since it would be limited to the track, it might be interesting to do the swap years from now.
>
>Unfortunately it's starting to look pretty bleak for a future high performance Audi in my garage, unless I take the gamble and go with a B6 S4 or build a RS2 sedan.
>
>In other words, for the short term solution and my sanity, the 2014 Z/28 is looking more and more like a viable option.
>
>Cheers
>Robin
>
>On 2013-05-08, at 4:03 AM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You basically made a long winded post that says that Cody is basically
>> correct. Regardless, an AAN into a B6 is pretty much impossible
>> due to the OBD-II requirement as you stated.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Neither of the below is 'technically' correct.  Chris, Enforcement has
>>> nothing to do with LEGALITY.   This swap would be illegal on many fronts,
>>> according to the Federal EPA Laws.  Cody, IIRC from the trades, engine
>>> swaps must comply with emissions of the vehicle OR the engine, whichever is
>>> newer.  The 1991 EPA 'clarification' addresses additional questions
>>> regarding engine swaps, but the base laws haven't changed.
>>> 
>>> So, swapping an 'old' engine into a newer car would be tough, because I
>>> doubt the AAN could pass the newer emission standard.  Since every vehicle
>>> since 1996 (specifically excluding the AAN) must be OBDII, this will be a
>>> problem for a B6 car sporting an AAN.  Since the B6 also never had an AAN
>>> 'option' engine, it would be illegal to swap this engine period.
>>> 
>>> Also inducted into the EPA hall of fame, is the catalyst rules.  Cats must
>>> be in the stock location, and of the same number and configuration as from
>>> the factory.  Yup, Stromung exhausts are flat illegal too, it's missing one
>>> of the cats.
>>> 
>>> IMO/E a newer engine into an older chassis is not really that difficult to
>>> demonstrate as 'cleaner' and more efficient to these rules (AAN into urq or
>>> 4k chassis for example).  An older engine into a newer chassis after 1973,
>>> is not only difficult, but to the AAN>B6, nary impossible to be 'legal' at
>>> the EPA Federal level.  Enforcement?  Lucky for most tweeksters, State EPA
>>> mandates are much less strict in enforcement.  But, I know in Illinois if
>>> you did this swap, the techs would want to plug into that OBDII port to
>>> check a AAN equipped B6, and you would fail until they could.  Since EPA
>>> compliance is a condition of license plate renewal, you could enjoy this
>>> swap for 11.9 months....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scott J
>>> 4 x 20vt engines, but only 1 chassis with 3B from the factory
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
>>> Cc: Robin Stoddard <robinstoddard at icloud.com>; Keith Franchetti <
>>> skidfranc at gmail.com>; S-CAR list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>> Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 7:31 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Laws regarding engine swaps vary by state .... Do whatever swap you want
>>> here in
>>> Michigan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
>>>> To: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Cc: Robin Stoddard <robinstoddard at icloud.com>; Keith Franchetti
>>> <skidfranc at gmail.com>; S-CAR list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Legally speaking any engine swaps registered for the road are required to
>>> be a
>>> same or newer model year engine than the chassis. If you have to go through
>>> inspection that's a no-go.
>>>> 
>>>> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
>>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 2:27 PM, chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Robin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about looking for a  B6 S4 with engine issues and swap in an AAN?
>>>>> Buy cheap and build the car you want.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris
>>> 
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