[s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive

[Robin Stoddard]

Absolutely a possibility.  In fact with it being an aluminum (theoretically lighter) block, that might make it a really good option.  
It does satisfy the newer engine than chassis rule and it did come from a OBDII based chassis as well.  Hmmmm…interesting.  :-)


On 2013-05-08, at 12:16 PM, chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Very interesting, what about swapping in one of the new 07K motors?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Robin Stoddard <robinstoddard at icloud.com>
> To: Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> 
> Cc: "s-car-list at audifans.com" <s-car-list at audifans.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive
> 
> So got it, it's a no go then in the US to swap an AAN engine into a B6 S4.  :-)
> It's an interesting thought, but since it would be limited to the track, it might be interesting to do the swap years from now.
> 
> Unfortunately it's starting to look pretty bleak for a future high performance Audi in my garage, unless I take the gamble and go with a B6 S4 or build a RS2 sedan.
> 
> In other words, for the short term solution and my sanity, the 2014 Z/28 is looking more and more like a viable option.
> 
> Cheers
> Robin
> 
> On 2013-05-08, at 4:03 AM, Taka Mizutani <t44tqtro at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > You basically made a long winded post that says that Cody is basically
> > correct. Regardless, an AAN into a B6 is pretty much impossible
> > due to the OBD-II requirement as you stated.
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Scott Justusson <qshipq at aol.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Neither of the below is 'technically' correct.  Chris, Enforcement has
> >> nothing to do with LEGALITY.  This swap would be illegal on many fronts,
> >> according to the Federal EPA Laws.  Cody, IIRC from the trades, engine
> >> swaps must comply with emissions of the vehicle OR the engine, whichever is
> >> newer.  The 1991 EPA 'clarification' addresses additional questions
> >> regarding engine swaps, but the base laws haven't changed.
> >> 
> >> So, swapping an 'old' engine into a newer car would be tough, because I
> >> doubt the AAN could pass the newer emission standard.  Since every vehicle
> >> since 1996 (specifically excluding the AAN) must be OBDII, this will be a
> >> problem for a B6 car sporting an AAN.  Since the B6 also never had an AAN
> >> 'option' engine, it would be illegal to swap this engine period.
> >> 
> >> Also inducted into the EPA hall of fame, is the catalyst rules.  Cats must
> >> be in the stock location, and of the same number and configuration as from
> >> the factory.  Yup, Stromung exhausts are flat illegal too, it's missing one
> >> of the cats.
> >> 
> >> IMO/E a newer engine into an older chassis is not really that difficult to
> >> demonstrate as 'cleaner' and more efficient to these rules (AAN into urq or
> >> 4k chassis for example).  An older engine into a newer chassis after 1973,
> >> is not only difficult, but to the AAN>B6, nary impossible to be 'legal' at
> >> the EPA Federal level.  Enforcement?  Lucky for most tweeksters, State EPA
> >> mandates are much less strict in enforcement.  But, I know in Illinois if
> >> you did this swap, the techs would want to plug into that OBDII port to
> >> check a AAN equipped B6, and you would fail until they could.  Since EPA
> >> compliance is a condition of license plate renewal, you could enjoy this
> >> swap for 11.9 months....
> >> 
> >> 
> >> HTH
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Scott J
> >> 4 x 20vt engines, but only 1 chassis with 3B from the factory
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
> >> Cc: Robin Stoddard <robinstoddard at icloud.com>; Keith Franchetti <
> >> skidfranc at gmail.com>; S-CAR list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> >> Sent: Tue, May 7, 2013 7:31 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Laws regarding engine swaps vary by state .... Do whatever swap you want
> >> here in
> >> Michigan.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Cody Forbes <cody at 5000tq.com>
> >>> To: chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> >>> Cc: Robin Stoddard <robinstoddard at icloud.com>; Keith Franchetti
> >> <skidfranc at gmail.com>; S-CAR list <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 6:03 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [s-cars] 2004 S4 Avant V8 -- Report on Test Drive
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Legally speaking any engine swaps registered for the road are required to
> >> be a
> >> same or newer model year engine than the chassis. If you have to go through
> >> inspection that's a no-go.
> >>> 
> >>> -Cody Forbes (mobile)
> >>> 
> >>> On May 7, 2013, at 2:27 PM, chris chambers <fastscirocco_2000 at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Robin,
> >>>> 
> >>>> How about looking for a  B6 S4 with engine issues and swap in an AAN?
> >>>> Buy cheap and build the car you want.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Chris
> >> 
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