[s-cars] VW antics

[Walter Moore]

Amusing, or frustrating: last Thursday I booked a test drive in a Golf
SportWagen TDI manual for Saturday. I loved the car, but am I mad or
relieved that they couldn't sell it to me?

But aside from that I can speak to why I wanted a diesel: for fun! and also
because VW doesn't sell that car with the TSI, a stick, and any decent
options.

I am debating whether I really needed a big boot and am doodling on the GTI
configurator.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Larry <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would argue MOST TDI sales are from drivers seeking an economic
> advantage and then find out they are fun.  Most TDI drivers I run into talk
> more about fuel economy and/or tank range, NOT it digs off the line or
> pulls off of corners. Sadly the TDI owner at my new job I know is so busy
> ducking from everyone to ask why he bought a TDI.
>
> LL-NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 25, 2015, at 1:14 PM, yo-cello at comcast.net wrote:
>
> If a consumer is comparing a hybrid to a diesel, I think this is fuel to
> that consumer who prefers 'green' and efficiency over torque and the
> driving experience to make the choice for the hybrid.
>
> But, I think the bigger nail in the coffin is the price of gas dropping,
> and diesel not following suit near as much.   My expectation is that is
> where VW is going to lose sales - to people going back to crossovers and
> SUVs.  New  car sales have shown that movement already, even before this
> scandal came to light.  At least here in VT, SUV drivers are the folks who
> chose to go with TDIs.
>
> The hybrid drivers never seemed inclined to go diesel to start with.  In
> fact, those I know while gas prices were high were talking more Nissan Leaf
> and Tesla...
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Walter Moore" <moorewr at gmail.com>
> *To: *"Larry" <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"Lee Levitt" <lee at levitts.net>, "S-car List" <
> s-car-list at audifans.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, September 25, 2015 12:32:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [s-cars] VW antics
>
> I agree that this is the thin end of the wedge. Given the political
> pressure to ban diesels in cities that already existed, if there are any
> more revelations from VW or other car-makers fail tests it will become a
> Hindenberg moment.
>
> It probably already is a Hindenberg moment for small-car diesels in the US.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Larry <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Saw an article (no time check the source) that said BMW 2.0 diesels are
> > also failing the road tests by a factor of 5 (vs 40).  BMW's response,
> "we
> > don't cheat..."
> >
> > I do wonder if with the strong performance of plug-in hybrids that
> this'll
> > spell the end of small diesels.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Bares, Vittorio <
> Vittorio.Bares at nuance.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Pretty much - but I also thought, "I'm sure they're not alone..."
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Vittorio -
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: S-CAR-List [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com
> <s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com>] On Behalf Of
> > Lee Levitt
> > > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:26 AM
> > > To: S-car List
> > > Subject: [s-cars] VW antics
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Am I the only one who, when hearing of how VW hacked the diesel
> > emissions inspections, said ³Cool² ?
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > After all, if I purchased a contemporary turbodiesel, my first call
> > would be to a diesel tuner to pretty much do the same thing. :)
> > >
> > > (Not to boost emissions, but to improve performanceŠ)
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
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"We would rather be ruined than changed;
We would rather die in our dread
Than climb the cross of the moment
And let our illusions die.”
             W.H. Auden