[s-cars] VW antics

[Larry]

I would argue MOST TDI sales are from drivers seeking an economic advantage and then find out they are fun.  Most TDI drivers I run into talk more about fuel economy and/or tank range, NOT it digs off the line or pulls off of corners. Sadly the TDI owner at my new job I know is so busy ducking from everyone to ask why he bought a TDI.

LL-NY

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> On Sep 25, 2015, at 1:14 PM, yo-cello at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> If a consumer is comparing a hybrid to a diesel, I think this is fuel to that consumer who prefers 'green' and efficiency over torque and the driving experience to make the choice for the hybrid.  
> 
> But, I think the bigger nail in the coffin is the price of gas dropping, and diesel not following suit near as much.   My expectation is that is where VW is going to lose sales - to people going back to crossovers and SUVs.  New  car sales have shown that movement already, even before this scandal came to light.  At least here in VT, SUV drivers are the folks who chose to go with TDIs.  
> 
> The hybrid drivers never seemed inclined to go diesel to start with.  In fact, those I know while gas prices were high were talking more Nissan Leaf and Tesla...
> 
> From: "Walter Moore" <moorewr at gmail.com>
> To: "Larry" <larrycleung at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Lee Levitt" <lee at levitts.net>, "S-car List" <s-car-list at audifans.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:32:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] VW antics
> 
> I agree that this is the thin end of the wedge. Given the political
> pressure to ban diesels in cities that already existed, if there are any
> more revelations from VW or other car-makers fail tests it will become a
> Hindenberg moment.
> 
> It probably already is a Hindenberg moment for small-car diesels in the US.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Larry <larrycleung at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Saw an article (no time check the source) that said BMW 2.0 diesels are
> > also failing the road tests by a factor of 5 (vs 40).  BMW's response, "we
> > don't cheat..."
> >
> > I do wonder if with the strong performance of plug-in hybrids that this'll
> > spell the end of small diesels.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Bares, Vittorio <Vittorio.Bares at nuance.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Pretty much - but I also thought, "I'm sure they're not alone..."
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Vittorio -
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: S-CAR-List [mailto:s-car-list-bounces at audifans.com] On Behalf Of
> > Lee Levitt
> > > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:26 AM
> > > To: S-car List
> > > Subject: [s-cars] VW antics
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Am I the only one who, when hearing of how VW hacked the diesel
> > emissions inspections, said ³Cool² ?
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > After all, if I purchased a contemporary turbodiesel, my first call
> > would be to a diesel tuner to pretty much do the same thing. :)
> > >
> > > (Not to boost emissions, but to improve performanceŠ)
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
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