[urq] Carlisle 2005

[packley]

Gary, our urq will be ready by then, perfect destination for 
event!

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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Fuchs (Was The price of greatness) (Michael Hopton)
   2. re: still poor starting (spot.ontheroad)
   3. RE: knock sensor question. (Buchholz, Steven)
   4. Re: The price of greatness (John Koenig)
   5. Re: The price of greatness (Ingo Rautenberg)
   6. Re: The price of greatness (Andrew B)
   7. UPG Events (Gary Brown)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:44:46 -0500
From: "Michael Hopton" <Michael at siliconoptix.com>
Subject: RE: [urq] Fuchs (Was The price of greatness)
To: "Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at gmail.com>
Cc: Urq List <urq at audifans.com>
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Only with 8" ronals, he runs them on his '86. He has G60s with
Fuchs on his red car with spacers to fill the arches.

cheers, Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Thatcher Hubbard [mailto:thatcher.hubbard at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:37 PM
To: Michael Hopton
Cc: Urq List
Subject: Re: [urq] Fuchs (Was The price of greatness)

Hmmm...Martin did have those calipers on his '83 at one point though
right?  


On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:23:56 -0500, Michael Hopton
<michael at siliconoptix.com> wrote:
> The AP aport quattro calipers won't work with Fuchs even with
spacers...
> 
> regards, Mike
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: urq-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:urq-bounces at audifans.com] On
> Behalf Of Thatcher Hubbard
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:01 PM
> To: Urq List
> Subject: Re: [urq] Fuchs (Was The price of greatness)
> 
> I'd love to pick up a set of relatively clean Fuchs for use as winter
> wheels on the car.  Like most of here who haven't already gotten them,
> I aspire to 8" R8s at some point in the future.
> 
> I'm pretty sure Martin was running his Fuchs with spacers.  IIRC he's
> got the AP/Lockheed calipers on his car too, he might be able to shed
> some light on the situation.
> 
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:41:18 -0700, Brandon Rogers
<brogers at terrix.com>
> wrote:
> > IMO, they are not as coveted as the 8" Ronals (although the Fuchs
are
> much
> > lighter) but are much more coveted than the 6" Ronals.  All things
> being
> > equal - which we all know they _never_ are (especially with these
> cars)- a
> > car with Fuchs would likely fetch more than one with 6" Ronals.
Again
> - all
> > other things being equal.  The Fuchs are light and strong and have
> appeal,
> > as someone (Ingo I think) said because Audi used them on the rally
> cars.
> > One drawback is that they won't allow as big a brake caliper as the
8"
> > Ronals.  I had to have the wheel weights put on the outer lip
(rather
> than
> > inside of the wheel towards the out side) because they were hitting
my
> G60
> > calipers in front.  Some people have Porsche Monoblock calipers
under
> 8"
> > R8's and there is no way I can see those fitting under Fuchs...well
> maybe
> > with a spacer or something...??
> >
> > Brandon
> > '84 ur
> >    8" R8 Summer
> >    Fuchs Winter
> >    6" R8 not used
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew B" <andrew.sb at gmail.com>
> > To: <dgraber460 at aol.com>
> > Cc: <urq at audifans.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [urq] The price of greatness
> >
> > > Not saying Fuchs are not worth what people are paying for them,
just
> > > curious as to whether they have some collectable value or what,
> > > exactly.  I personally am not a big fan of the style, but I
wouldn't
> > > mind having a set, nevertheless.  Heck, if they can increase the
> value
> > > of my car I'll take two.
> > >
> > > In response to John, I paid about 7k, and I believe that is
exactly
> > > what my car is worth.  I don't think I could get a similar
> performance
> > > car for the same price with all the bells and whistles of the Ur.
> My
> > > car has no rust, and everything short of the AC (no belt), cruise
> > > control (does anybody's work?) and rear defroster (Working on it)
> > > everything works and is in great shape.  My car has the Ronal 8"s
> and
> > > was repainted in a not-quite-zermatt silver.  I love the car, but
I
> > > can't see it being worth 11 thousand.  I guess the rarity is
> important
> > > in resale value, but there are quite a few Urs available to
anybody
> > > savvy enough to surf the interweb for a few hours.  I was looking
> all
> > > over the country for mine, and I was lucky when it popped up in a
> city
> > > a few hours away.  I guess I'm asking if people actually get what
> they
> > > ask (above 10g) or if they're just testing the water.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:47:52 EST, dgraber460 at aol.com
> <dgraber460 at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/22/2004 10:36:18 AM Mountain Standard
Time,
> > > > John.Chaplen at mercer.com writes:
> > > > <Also, what's the deal with Fuchs wheels?  I know 8" Ronals have
> some
> > > > <desireability, but are these as collectable?  I saw a set on
ebay
> go
> > for
> > > > <$75, guess I should have picked them up!
> > > >
> > > > Is your point that Fuchs are too high or too low?
> > > > I've been looking for a set for some time, and haven't seen
> anything for
> > > > what I think their worth. I was preparing to bid on the $75 set
> when
> > they
> > > > were mysteriously pulled early and sold for $75. I was a bit
> annoyed
> > (more
> > > > like pissed!) at not having a shot at them, but that's auction
> life I
> > guess.
> > > > Still looking for a set, and so far resisting the temptation to
> get the
> > > > brand new 15x7 TSW Hockenhiem Rs for $349 including shipping
from
> Cheap
> > > > Wheels.
> > > >
> > > > Dennis
> > > > Denver
> > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:15:36 -0000
From: "spot.ontheroad" <spot.ontheroad at virgin.net>
Subject: [urq] re: still poor starting
To: <urq at audifans.com>
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Recently I put up a posting relaying my problems with my poor starting
WR. Several of you replied for which I am grateful.
I have no checked the following:
Wiring to the cold start valve
Wiring to the Thermo-time switch
Fuel delivery to CSV
no leaks from CSV
I changed the Thermo-time switch for one for a coupe quattro (15 degrees
for 8 seconds rather than 35 degrees for 8 seconds) It was all I had to
hand.

Now I understand from this that the one I put in will only work when it
is under 15 degrees C and then for a max of 8 seconds. Well luck for me
it was a cold day (11 degrees) so it should have worked and may well
have done but it made no difference to the starting performance.
I have since read that the auxillary air valve if staying closed will
give the same symtoms as I am getting. i,e, car won't start without foot
flat to floor. I have read how to check this but what I want to know is:
whan the valve is open, how open is it? Should you be able to see a
completely open aperture or just a 1/4 segment?

Cheers

Keith


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:16:08 -0800
From: "Buchholz, Steven" <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
Subject: RE: [urq] knock sensor question.
To: <urq at audifans.com>
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... cleaning up my inbox I saw the message below ... didn't appear to be
any replies ... 

I've looked into the knock sensor situation a bit over the years ...
love to retrofit something to my car someday ... here's what I've
learned:

One option that some have contemplated is to incorporate a Saab APC
system into the car.  I haven't looked much into this myself, but I
believe there are folks who have retrofitted a system into their
turbocharged Audis.  If you are interested do a web search and you will
find out more.  My concern about this alternative is that the spark
timing is controlled by the ECU ... it isn't clear to me whether or not
there would be any interaction between the two systems.  

My original plan was to see if I could retrofit a control system from an
MC engine (MAC-11 or MAC-13) to the WX.  It should be possible to do
either, but there's the nagging question about whether or not the knock
sensor(s) will operate properly if not attached to the block in the
factory way ... based on that concern I have pretty much concluded that
if you want to have knock sensing capability you might as well swap in
an MC engine.  I'm thinking MC-II myself ... you get dual knock sensors
and slightly higher static compression.  

The thing I really like about Audi's knock regulation mechanism is that
it will first retard the spark, but if that doesn't work it will open up
the WGFV (wastegate frequency valve) which will reduce the maximum
amount of boost that is applied to the intake manifold ... 

... all that said ... it should be possible to connect up the
electronics from an MC engine to a WX ... just be careful to make sure
that you have the proper reference pin location for the MC.  

... depending upon how wacky you want to get, there are other
alternatives to "classical" knock detection that could be used on a WX
engine without any modifications.  There is a fairly modern system
called ION sensing ... this actually looks at the ionization signal in
the combustion chamber by observing the spark plug signal after the
charge is ignited.  I would love to have a system like this to use for
my car ... probably set up with a full-on EFI system ... I've been a bit
out of the loop for a while on what might be available here ... if you
are interested check out diy-efi.org or do a general web search on ION
sensing ignition systems ... 

Steve B
San Jose, CA (USA)
> 
> I was wondering if it was possible to hook up a knock sensor 
> on a pre MC motor like on my 82.


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:24:30 -0500
From: "John Koenig" <johnkoenig at greennet.net>
Subject: Re: [urq] The price of greatness
To: <urq at audifans.com>
Message-ID: <006201c4d0e2$0a0b1020$6058ea44 at computer>
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Somebody said "light and strong" but I just thought I'd add, since no
one
else has, that part of the attraction of the Fuchs wheels is that
they're
forged, like the Fuchs wheels that were used on 911s for about 20 years.
This gives them their attractive strength-to-weight ratio.
Unfortunately,
they're only 7" wide, and a little outdated for summer tires, but still
very
useful for rally or winter tires, or The Look (or an upgrade from 6"
R8s).

If the ebay wheels were $75 for a set, that sounds incredibly cheap!

John



----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew B <andrew.sb at gmail.com>

>
> Also, what's the deal with Fuchs wheels?  I know 8" Ronals have some
> desireability, but are these as collectable?  I saw a set on ebay go
> for $75, guess I should have picked them up!
>
> -Andrew



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:55:16 -0500
From: "Ingo Rautenberg" <i.rautenberg at waratap.com>
Subject: Re: [urq] The price of greatness
To: <urq at audifans.com>
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John,

That was me.  I (maybe incorrectly) assumed everyone knew they were
forged
(the reason they're so light and strong).  They were also never an
option on
the Urq here in the states, but were only available as an option on
later
5ktq cars in the US.  Due to their design, snow/ice doesn't tend to get
stuck and cause imbalances like the regular ronal wheels.  Agreed, great
choice for winter driving especially.

-Ingo
'91 200q20v...Slightly modified
'84 Tornado Red Urquattro Euro spec
'91 v8 quattro 5-Speed (not exactly stock) :-)
'91 V8 pearl (new addition)
http://hometown.aol.com/quattringo/index.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Koenig" <johnkoenig at greennet.net>
To: <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [urq] The price of greatness


> Somebody said "light and strong" but I just thought I'd add, since no
one
> else has, that part of the attraction of the Fuchs wheels is that
they're
> forged, like the Fuchs wheels that were used on 911s for about 20
years.
> This gives them their attractive strength-to-weight ratio.
Unfortunately,
> they're only 7" wide, and a little outdated for summer tires, but
still
very
> useful for rally or winter tires, or The Look (or an upgrade from 6"
R8s).
>
> If the ebay wheels were $75 for a set, that sounds incredibly cheap!
>
> John
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew B <andrew.sb at gmail.com>
>
> >
> > Also, what's the deal with Fuchs wheels?  I know 8" Ronals have some
> > desireability, but are these as collectable?  I saw a set on ebay go
> > for $75, guess I should have picked them up!
> >
> > -Andrew
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:05:41 -0500
From: Andrew B <andrew.sb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [urq] The price of greatness
To: Ingo Rautenberg <i.rautenberg at waratap.com>, urq at audifans.com
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=79341
82637&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

I swear I wasn't hallucinating

-Andrew

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:55:16 -0500, Ingo Rautenberg
<i.rautenberg at waratap.com> wrote:
> John,
> 
> That was me.  I (maybe incorrectly) assumed everyone knew they were
forged
> (the reason they're so light and strong).  They were also never an
option on
> the Urq here in the states, but were only available as an option on
later
> 5ktq cars in the US.  Due to their design, snow/ice doesn't tend to
get
> stuck and cause imbalances like the regular ronal wheels.  Agreed,
great
> choice for winter driving especially.
> 
> -Ingo
> '91 200q20v...Slightly modified
> '84 Tornado Red Urquattro Euro spec
> '91 v8 quattro 5-Speed (not exactly stock) :-)
> '91 V8 pearl (new addition)
> http://hometown.aol.com/quattringo/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Koenig" <johnkoenig at greennet.net>
> To: <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [urq] The price of greatness
> 
> > Somebody said "light and strong" but I just thought I'd add, since
no one
> > else has, that part of the attraction of the Fuchs wheels is that
they're
> > forged, like the Fuchs wheels that were used on 911s for about 20
years.
> > This gives them their attractive strength-to-weight ratio.
Unfortunately,
> > they're only 7" wide, and a little outdated for summer tires, but
still
> very
> > useful for rally or winter tires, or The Look (or an upgrade from 6"
R8s).
> >
> > If the ebay wheels were $75 for a set, that sounds incredibly cheap!
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andrew B <andrew.sb at gmail.com>
> >
> > >
> > > Also, what's the deal with Fuchs wheels?  I know 8" Ronals have
some
> > > desireability, but are these as collectable?  I saw a set on ebay
go
> > > for $75, guess I should have picked them up!
> > >
> > > -Andrew
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:48:37 -0500
From: "Gary Brown" <gmbchef at comcast.net>
Subject: [urq] UPG Events
To: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>, <urq at audifans.com>
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I've heard mention of trying to get some urqs together at Pikes Peak
June 25th. Steve Eiche posted that to the AW urq forum.

 Also, the East Side UPG event may be at Carlisle, PA, the weekend of
May 21, 22nd. That coincides with a huge import swap meet there, and the
NSU and DKW clubs will be there as well. This is not to say that we
won't be at Felixs' again next year. All of this is still in the
planning stages, but it would be great if urq owners that are close to
Carlisle, PA can attend.

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