[urq] Ronal R8 weights, 8x15" and other brake comments
packley
packley at verizon.net
Thu Sep 16 07:43:34 EDT 2004
Martin: I have a complete set of unmounted
8x15's, I will put one on a scale this weekend
for you. As far as brake improvement...there
are probably some better tricks available than
the G60 which my urq used.
It seems the urq and the A4 are similar
caliper dimensions, but no one has reported
such a conversion. If this is the case, then
skip the A4 brakes (we replaced them in our A4 race
car), and go directly to a Brembo (Porsche) upgrade.
Save unsprung weight and go to a Boxster (non S) caliper
which uses 25 mm rotors, is 4 piston and
gives much better pad life and pedal modulation.
You would be amazed at the improved race car performance,
even though some swept area is lost (on radius closest
to axle where it makes little difference) we can brake
much deeper into corners without inducing ABS thru better
modulation, and the pads where perfectly "square" so our
$175 Hawk Blues last for 3-4 races, rather than just 2!
The trick is to find something that will work on your
15" rims. The only thing we found and are using
on our 20V Urq conversion is a set of heavy
4 piston AP calipers (original SQ) which allow
15" rims to be used. I will research and develop
a better solution next year, with a new caliper
bracket, and mix-and-match Brembo calipers, and
then try to figure out if an A4 aluminum hat
rotor like ECS offers will work which would be
awesome for weight savings and improved ventilation.
Having said that, from a performance standpoint,
the 8" Ronals, which some feel are the most
beautiful (and OEM) rims for the car, are really
heavy, and restrict large caliper sizing which we
really need for 400+ HP. If Performance were
the sole issue, it would be 996 calipers, and
a trick aluminum hat largest 32mm rotor we could fit
on the front with 17x8" rims (we have 35ET 17x8" Bolaros
on car) with urS4 rear vented rotors and a proportioning Valve.
btw, the special bracket for that hooks onto the master cylinder
works great where these cars break the firewall from the clutch
flexing the firewall. We first repaired the crack by reinforcing
with metal and tig welding, and painting
so it will never be a problem or be seen again.
The original MC will work, but the trick, I am told is a 91 200 Avant
MC which is a direct bolt-in and larger bore.
Phil
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: RS6 MTM ClubSport Video (Bill Bennett)
2. Unsprung weights (CARDCONSYS at aol.com)
3. Re: Targa Newfoundland (Bob D)
4. Re: Unsprung weights (n-engelbert at terrans.net)
5. urq] Water Wetter Observations (Andrew Finney)
6. West Coast UPG (Andrew Finney)
7. Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head (Thatcher Hubbard)
8. Throttle body to IC hose replacement options (Ingo Rautenberg)
9. Re: Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
(Louis-Alain_Richard at computerhorizons.com)
10. Re: Throttle body to IC hose replacement options (Brandon Rogers)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:04:11 -0700
From: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
To: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>, "Maurits Jonkergouw"
<urq at moregraphics.nl>, <urq at audifans.com>
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hitting another driver, with her head up her butt chatting on her phone,
panic stopping for a train that was not there at a open gated crossing
is a
rather sobering event, thank the spirits it was not on my insurance, or
my
Bitch involved,, I was at work.My URQ cannot be replaced, nor can yours,
or
anyone else's on the list to our satisfaction, the paint will always be
worse(unlike mine), the dash cracked(unlike mine) cracked leather
seats(yadda). The above has made me more, well more UR careful, like
headlights on during the daytime, watching American and Japanese cars
and
shit utility vehicles from a greater distance, and of course, I always
take
my gift from Jim Miller with me. it has it own mount from Louisville KY,
yes
they sell the mounts, $7.95 my Son and I call it Slugger. yes of course,
you
can have three guesses about what color Jim Miller got me, no, not gobi
beige
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From: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>
To: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>; "Maurits Jonkergouw"
<urq at moregraphics.nl>; <urq at audifans.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
> OK where did you hide the real Bill Bennett????
>
> Brandon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>
> To: "Maurits Jonkergouw" <urq at moregraphics.nl>; <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
>
>
> Good point Maurits, there is the other driver, and distractions, I
rear
> ended a honda in June my first collision event in 32 years, she
slammed on
> her brakes at a gated light rail crossing when no train was coming and
the
> gates were up and she still managed to jump out of her car with her
cell
> phone pasted to her ear. I agree, I apologise for not seeing the full
> picture from your point of view( and now mine), it is not just those
of us
> who know how drive fast out there, but when you are driving fast, how
do
you
> correct for the non drivers, you can't when you are pushing 120 mph in
a
> corner posted @50 mph. Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maurits Jonkergouw" <urq at moregraphics.nl>
> To: <urq at audifans.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [urq] RS6 MTM ClubSport Video
>
>
> This is exactly what happened to me a few years back doing 170 (and
> crashed), and why I said these men are stupid.... You cannot simply
expect
> other drivers to KNOW you are coming towards them high speed and they
think
> they have enough time to pass. More specific, some people who do
notice,
> pull to the left just to teach you a lesson. If your brakes are OK you
can
> stop in time, but still it's playing with fire IMHO...
>
> >John Koenig wrote:
> >
> >Reminds me of the discussion about the safety of driving really fast
on
the
> >Autobahn ... "until the inevitable Fiat pulls out to pass the
inevitable
> >Fiat."
> >
>
>
> --
> .................................................................
> Regards,
> Maurits
> .................................................................
> '86 quattro GV (WR)
> '85 coupé KV
> '82 coupé DD
> .................................................................
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:44:38 EDT
From: CARDCONSYS at aol.com
Subject: [urq] Unsprung weights
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Louis-Alain has measured the standard OEM 6Jx15 wheel at 18
pounds
and my 7Jx15H2 pearl white Fuchs(447-601-025F) weighs in at 14lbs. These
are
both weights without tyres. Does anyone have an 8Jx15 OEM wheel they can
weigh
for comparison?
When I have all the brake components weighed, original and G-60,
the
results will be posted for those interested.
Martin Dapot
83 UrQ
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:35:30 -0400
From: Bob D <bob at audisport.com>
Subject: Re: [urq] Targa Newfoundland
To: fdekat <fdekat at sentex.net>, Urq list <urq at audifans.com>
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Im actually scheduled to enter that in a road race prepared A2 in '06!
fdekat wrote:
>Looks like the 'kids' are having fun, running at Targa Newfoundland.
Plenty
>of interesting cars running.
>
>Even a few Audis. One urq running in the 'touring' category, and an 'S'
car
>somewhere too..
>
>Some pictures.. http://www.justus.ca/targa2004.html
>(Specifically: http://www.justus.ca/images/targa2004/1010.jpg )
>
>Targa website:
>http://www.targanewfoundland.com/
>
>Regards,
>
>-Frank de Kat-
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:32:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: <n-engelbert at terrans.net>
Subject: Re: [urq] Unsprung weights
To: <CARDCONSYS at aol.com>
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I've got mine boxed up with no tires mounted, I need to take care of
that.
I'll try to weigh one after work today, or maybe tomorrow if noone else
gets to it before me.
Nathan Engelbert
83 UrQ DA900453
89 90q
91 200q20v donor
> Louis-Alain has measured the standard OEM 6Jx15 wheel at 18
> pounds
> and my 7Jx15H2 pearl white Fuchs(447-601-025F) weighs in at 14lbs.
> These are both weights without tyres. Does anyone have an 8Jx15 OEM
> wheel they can weigh for comparison?
> When I have all the brake components weighed, original and G-60,
> the
> results will be posted for those interested.
> Martin Dapot
> 83 UrQ
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Finney <afinney1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [urq] urq] Water Wetter Observations
To: brogers at terrix.com
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Brandon, I didn't want to say anything at the UPG to
spoil your fun, but I'm pretty sure that over the
years there are tons of accounts of reasons not to use
water-wetter. Bad testimonials. I have one myself, as
I tried it a few years ago and it took me 2 years to
get the remaining goo out of the system. I remember
people said it tends to ball up and clog little
cooling passages. I could be wrong. I'd do what I did,
construct some garden-hose fitting adaptors to the
upper and lower coolant hoses (use PVC and ABS plastic
pipe to adapt), remove the thermostat, and backflsuh
and forward flush in succession, using hot water.
Andrew Finney
1983 and 1984 UrQs.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Finney <afinney1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [urq] West Coast UPG
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I second Tony's kudos to Paul and Pauline. Thanks so
much for organizing the UPG meeting. Worth every
mind-numbing mile through northern Nevada!
Thanks to Tony for the convoy partner. Made the drive
a little less stressful in case of break-down.
Andrew Finney
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:17:54 -0600
From: "Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at computer-er.com>
Subject: [urq] Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
To: <urq at audifans.com>
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Hey guys,
Finally got my head (WX) back from the shop. I noticed after I had
picked
it up though that they had not removed the old injector inserts. I
tried
with a pair of pliers to pull them out but they just cracked off (at
least
the short lip on the top did). Should I fashion some sort of hook
device to
pull these out or try to cut them out with a good utility knife? Just
looking for any BTDT from the list.
Thatcher Hubbard
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:34:46 -0400
From: "Ingo Rautenberg" <IRautenberg at comcast.net>
Subject: [urq] Throttle body to IC hose replacement options
To: "UrqList" <urq at audifans.com>
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I know, it's been discussed before, but I couldn't find anything recent.
This is for my '84 Urq running a bit extra boost with the WX motor. Is
the general consensus to replace with OEM or is there a Silicone
alternative that fits/works well. 2 large bills ain't cheap, ya know...
-Ingo
'91 200q20v...Slightly modified
'84 Urquattro
'91 v8q 5-speed w/ lots of mods :-)
http://hometown.aol.com/quattringo/index.html
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:34:21 -0400
From: Louis-Alain_Richard at computerhorizons.com
Subject: Re: [urq] Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
To: "Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at computer-er.com>
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If I am right, these inserts are screwed into the head assembly.
You will need a 12mm (not sure about the size...) allen key to remove
them.
Louis-Alain
"Thatcher Hubbard" <thatcher.hubbard at computer-er.com>
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Subject
[urq] Removing baked injector inserts from a WX head
Hey guys,
Finally got my head (WX) back from the shop. I noticed after I had
picked
it up though that they had not removed the old injector inserts. I
tried
with a pair of pliers to pull them out but they just cracked off (at
least
the short lip on the top did). Should I fashion some sort of hook
device
to
pull these out or try to cut them out with a good utility knife? Just
looking for any BTDT from the list.
Thatcher Hubbard
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:41:38 -0600
From: "Brandon Rogers" <brogers at terrix.com>
Subject: Re: [urq] Throttle body to IC hose replacement options
To: "Urq List" <urq at audifans.com>, "Ingo Rautenberg"
<i.rautenberg at waratap.com>
Message-ID: <001101c49b64$670481c0$0b01a8c0 at terrixden>
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Call the dealer, then bend over.
Brandon
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Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:34 PM
Subject: [urq] Throttle body to IC hose replacement options
I know, it's been discussed before, but I couldn't find anything recent.
This is for my '84 Urq running a bit extra boost with the WX motor. Is
the
general consensus to replace with OEM or is there a Silicone alternative
that fits/works well. 2 large bills ain't cheap, ya know...
-Ingo
'91 200q20v...Slightly modified
'84 Urquattro
'91 v8q 5-speed w/ lots of mods :-)
http://hometown.aol.com/quattringo/index.html
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